On 2/10/2022 9:23 PM, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 8:24 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business > <agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: >> I point a finger at Murphy for failure to judge CFJ 3940 in a timely >> fashion, >> in violation of Rule 591. >> I note that this offense is minor (about two hours late) and likely >> forgivable. >> I also note that Murphy attempted to award emself blue glitter for their >> judgement, >> which failed because of this violation. >> (This is how I intend to handle all violations except for extreme >> circumstances. >> Remember that a judge can file a motion to extend their case by >> announcement.) > > > I wish to register my strong personal disapproval for this action. I'm > generally opposed to aggressive enforcement of deadlines to begin > with. I am all the more opposed to enforcement against tardiness that > has already been rectified. If no one noticed at the time, then I do > not believe that it makes any sense to impose a penalty after the > fact.
I first instinctively agreed with Aspen, but on further reflection I'd like to try being strict about rules breaches, including even minor tardiness. A few times in the past few years, I've come up with an scheme/idea, but it depends on officers being on time (getting a proposal adopted before the end of the month, posting a tournament update, or something). The officer is late. I lose my scheme and any time investment. Overall it's less fun for everyone because it was interesting gameplay. But the officer is very sorry. And I (and we collectively) truly do understand, Agora isn't anyone's #1 priority, and I'm late often too. It happens. No biggie. But still, I've lost my invested effort due to the breach. Since our current culture treats a finger-point as a "true" rebuke, I'd feel bad for pointing or not accepting an officer's informal apology. So I don't penalize them, but I feel annoyed. As a result, I might get a bit passive-aggressive. Maybe snipe at something e says or vote against eir unrelated proposal, whatever. It's petty and the lateness is truly nbd - but the feeling's there for a few days and need to watch myself, or step away from the game for a little. Not fun. And I'm less likely to try the next scheme (which is the point of the game after all). I would VERY MUCH RATHER just be able to say "no worries, it happens, but here's a Blot - that's not a rebuke, that's just a technical nearly-automatic penalty the game applies, no one has to feel bad about it." Then we can move on. Any forgiveness can/should be dealt with on the sentencing side - we've got mechanisms for forgiveness, reduction in penalties, or just asking for a BBG. And if that's still to onerous, the obvious approach is to change the rules - reduce penalties for weekly reports, make the first missed officer's duty in a quarter a Warning, or any of a dozen other things. Other side effects of our current policy: - Challenging for new players. It's written in the rules that fingers are to be pointed at breaches, and we even *reward* for doing so. Then the first time a newb points a finger, thinking to pick up a JC (a great way for a new player to gain when auctions are out of reach), we say "we don't do that around here - goodfaithhonor and all that". They then need to navigate a hidden, against-the-text-of-the-rules social pressure while older players are comfortable knowing which fingers they can and can't safely point, with the difference being relatively-arbitrary social pressure. Also not fun. - The economy. We've taken a general strong stand against pending proposals for free, to support the pendant economy. Following that logic, why would we depress/downright destroy the BBG economy? -G.
