On 7/8/22 00:03, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 10:37 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On 7/7/22 19:58, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: >>> As it has no mentions of the rules, I didn't think it was necessary to >>> include an interpretation where a tabled action must be rules-defined as >> an >>> action able to be performed with one of those methods. But looking at >> Rule >>> 2125 (Regulated Actions), I do see the relevance. >>> >>> >>> A Regulated Action CAN only be performed as described by the >>> Rules, and only using the methods explicitly specified in the >>> Rules for performing the given action. >>> >>> >>> You can make the connection that an action "is performed with a method" >>> means that action "CAN be performed by that method as described by the >>> rules", but that seems like a bit of a jump given the wording is >>> significantly different as I argued, "is performed" vs "CAN be >> performed". >>> >>> As the rules don't explicitly say that tabled actions have to be >>> rules-defined to be intended, we shouldn't just assume that's what the >>> rules mean. We should consider it, but there's no evidence that suggests >> it >>> to be true. The lack of an explicit requirement to be rules-defined more >>> implies that there is no requirement to be rules-defined than there being >>> one. >> >> The fact that the usages of those methods must be rules-defined is >> inherent in the fact that, in order for the rules to recognize the uses >> of those methods, the actions must necessarily be regulated. It is >> IMPOSSIBLE to take an action with N support if the rules do not permit >> you to do so. You might have another method to do so if it's >> unregulated, but that won't be "with N support". >> >> > The action does not necessarily need to be POSSIBLE to be a tabled action. > It could be a tabled action that is currently impossible to take. That > doesn't change that if it was performed "with support", it would be a > tabled action, even if it currently IMPOSSIBLE to perform the action with > support. These actions are regulated, yes, but impossible regulated actions > can still be tabled actions if they would be performed by a tabled action > method. > > -- > secretsnail
The action of "going shopping at the store" is not "performed by dropping a penny on the floor", because there's no possible way that the latter can result in the former. I think it's atextual to read this clause to consider possible future hypotheticals. The rules must be interpreted using their current text (or, for a CFJ, the text at the time of calling), not possible future text. -- Jason Cobb Arbitor, Assessor, Rulekeepor, Stonemason
