> On Feb 11, 2024, at 8:13 PM, Maloney Agora via agora-business > <agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > I'm leaving the other one up. Fuck you. I propose the following proposal. > > Name: Ambiguity Amendment > Author: Maloney > ID: 3
Dearest Maloney, as the Promotor It's my duty to distribute all proposals that are submitted. I wish I'd seen the potential ambiguity of the Radiance Day proposal and warned you beforehand of agora's strict tendencies, but what's done is done. We'll have to discuss if it worked or not (it seems like it didn't because it's such a ridiculously high standard for rule changes) but what I can say for certain is that these last two proposals wouldn't have the effect you want, because you list "ID: 3" instead of "AI: 3" (Adoption Index). So I humbly request you withdraw the proposals, as to reduce my workload and the bloating of the archives. But a more serious issue: "Ambiguity which would reasonably alter the function of a rule change or cause reasonable doubt that a rule change is being made causes that change to be void and without effect." is the new text you desire, but it would still prevent the original proposal you made from taking effect. The issue is that there could be reasonable doubt that a rule change would have been made, as rules are not the only thing that could be enacted. Aris has proposed an even lighter standard: "if it would be clear to any reasonable player, it is not ambiguous." This would let your original proposal work, so i think it's a more appropriate fix. If you'd like to propose a different fix because you see another issue, please do! but please withdraw the current proposals in either case since they wont work, and specify the adoption index as 3 so it will have enough Power to work in any new proposals that affect Power 3 rules. Agora is cool and all but you first have to get past the hurdle of knowing and using the language, which is tough to do. It sucks messing up and seeing other people mess up, although sometimes it causes interesting meases. But if we want good gameplay we have to know how to ease the learning process. Personally, whenever i want to do any action, i just copy exactly what the ruleset says. (Unless it's something unimportant like pushing the boulder). If you use the words the rules do, it'd be pretty hard for anything to be ambiguous. Plus then you'll actually be reading the rules which can help in understanding strategies, and loopholes. I'm sorry you had to have the rug pulled out from under you. It sucks when it happens, and it happens every so often here, but it gets easier to avoid mistakes as you play and learn. So please keep trying! I look forward to seeing more proposals from you and (hopefully) helping you if i see any issues or improvements to be made. :D (and i'm sure others will try and do the same, because i really dont want to distribute proposals that don't do anything agora >;) -- snail
