On 6/5/26 05:58, msh210 via agora-business wrote:
Hi, all,
I CFJ on: There is a way under Rule 2438 to earn a lime ribbon.
I also CFJ on: There is a way under Rule 2438 to earn a transparent
ribbon.[snip]
Caller's arguments:
Rule 2438 is clear that qualifying for, earning, and being awarded
(=owning) a ribbon are three different things:
[snip]
> > And the rule doesn't include any way of *earning* a ribbon by mere
virtue of *qualifying* for it.
And the rule says that lime and transparent ribbons can be qualified
for, but gives no way to earn them.
So both CFJs should be adjudged FALSE.
Yours very truly,
msh210
Generally, gaining a ribbon has three stages.
First, a person earns a ribbon.
Second, having earned that ribbon, e qualifies for it for seven days.
Third, while e qualifies for it, e is awarded the ribbon.
However, some ribbons purport to skip the first step by directly
specifying the conditions under which a person qualifies for that ribbon:
> Green (G): While a person holds a voluntary office, has done so
> continuously for the past 30 days, and has not failed to perform
> any duties of that office within the appropriate time limits
> during those 30 days, that person qualifies for a Green Ribbon.
> Platinum (P): The Speaker qualifies for a Platinum Ribbon.
> Lime (L): A person qualifies for a Lime Ribbon if three or more
> proposals adopted in the preceding 7 days had that person as a
> coauthor.
> White (W): A player qualifies for a White Ribbon if e has never
> previously owned a White Ribbon (including under previous
> rulesets). [snip]
> Transparent (T): A person qualifies for a Transparent Ribbon while
> the number of other types of Ribbon that that person qualified for
> within the previous 7 days is at least 5.
Note that qualifying for a ribbon is sufficient to be awarded that
ribbon; *it is not necessary to have earned the ribbon*.
> While a person qualifies for a type of Ribbon:
>
> - If e has not owned that type of Ribbon within the preceding 7
> days, any player CAN, by announcement, award em that type of
> Ribbon.
Thus, this CFJ hinges on whether the conditions for the above-listed
ribbons succeed in causing persons to qualify for the same despite never
having earned them.
Generally:
> A person qualifies for a type of Ribbon if e has earned that type
> of Ribbon within the preceding 7 days (including earlier in the
> same message).
This excerpt can be read as merely establishing a sufficient condition.
Alternatively, if one interprets the "if" to mean "if and only if", this
condition is both sufficient and required.
In the first case, the specification of the ribbons obviously succeeds
in causing persons to qualify. This is because the existence of a single
sufficient condition does not preclude the existence of other sufficient
conditions.
In the second case, there is a conflict within rule 2438.
Per rule 2240, "[in] a conflict between clauses of the same rule [...],
if exactly one claims precedence over the other, then it takes
precedence; otherwise, the later clause takes precedence."
In this case, the specification of the ribbons themselves takes
precedence as it is listed later in the rule. Even under this more
restrictive interpretation, they succeed in causing persons to qualify.
Therefore, both statements should be ruled TRUE.
--
Salad
