On Thu, 12 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I shiny-CFJ on the following statement, barring o: > > G. owns the Estate of Dawsbergen.
This is CFJ 3575. I assign it to V.J. Rada > ARGUMENTS > > Regard the following hypothetical Rules clause: > > A player CAN do X by A, by B, or by C. > > I think there's only one reasonably clear interpretation of this clause, > that the player has three independent methods for doing X, either by A, > by B or by C. The grammatical clues for this construct are the > repetition of the term "by", and the "or" which (by clear grammatical > rules) distributes over the list to "A or B or C." It's pretty darn > clear, and really the only sensible reading. > > Compare this directly with the language of R2491, with line breaks > inserted for emphasis: > > The player who placed the winning bid CAN, and SHALL in a timely > fashion, cause Agora to transfer the auctioned Estate to the winner > by announcement, > by paying Agora the amount of the bid, or > by causing the winning Organization to pay Agora the amount of the > bid. > > Exactly the same as the hypothetical example. So I have simply opted > for the first method (by announcement) for making the transfer, instead > of the other methods ("by paying"). > > That's my whole argument. It's an argument, and it's mine. But I've > anticipated some counterarguments for your convenience: > > Q: But don't you have to pay by announcement? I thought that was the > point of recent rules changes! So the 'by announcement' shouldn't be > separated from 'by paying Agora' because otherwise 'paying Agora' > doesn't work? > > A: "paying" is already a by-announcement action by R2166 (Assets). > Moreover, CFJ 3557 recently found that the CAN and SHALL imply 'by > announcement', so that implication should map onto all three methods in > terms of announcing the reason for the payment. > > Q: But other rules have this compound! What about this: > Any player CAN flip a specified proposal's imminence to "pending" > by announcement by: b) spending the current Pend Cost in shinies > and this: > b) by announcement, and spending the current CFJ Cost in shinies, > > A: None of those examples have an "or", real or implied. And > "spending" *isn't* a 'by announcement' action on its own, so it needs > the support and the strongly-implied 'and'. > > Q: But can't we read '...by A, by B, or by C' as 'by A and either > (by B or by C)'? > > A: That's a really poor inference from the grammar, and substituting > a weakly-implied "and" for a strongly-implied 'or' is a complete > reversal of meaning, not a minor grammatical quirk. > > Q: But the *intent* of the rule is clearly... > > A: This is Agora - text of the rules, dude. > > > EVIDENCE > > Rule 2491 ("Estate Auctions") > [Note: the most recent SLR/FLR has this rule incorrectly-written due to > a copy/past error. I've taken this text from Proposal 7888.] > > > At the start of each month, if Agora owns at least one Estate, > the Surveyor CAN, by announcement, and SHALL in a timely > fashion, put one Estate which is owned by Agora up for auction. > Each auction ends seven days after it begins. > > During an auction, any player CAN bid a number of Shinies on > eir own behalf, by announcement, or on behalf of any > Organization for which such a bid is Appropriate, by > announcement, provided the bid is higher than any > previously-placed bid in the same auction. > > If, at the end of the auction, there is a single highest bid, > then that player or Organization wins the auction. The player > who placed the winning bid CAN, and SHALL in a timely fashion, > cause Agora to transfer the auctioned Estate to the winner by > announcement, by paying Agora the amount of the bid, or by > causing the winning Organization to pay Agora the amount of the > bid. > > > >