status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3745
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=============================== CFJ 3745 ===============================
There exists an Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal with the title
'It's caused enough trouble already' and with a valid adoption
index.
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Caller: Jason Cobb
Judge: D. Margaux
Judgement: FALSE
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History:
Called by Jason Cobb: 23 Jun 2019 22:07:24
Assigned to D. Margaux: 30 Jun 2019 20:02:27
Judged TRUE by D. Margaux: 01 Jul 2019 00:47:15
Motion to reconsider filed by D. Margaux: 01 Jul 2019 06:16:07
Judged FALSE by D. Margaux: 01 Jul 2019 06:16:07
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Gratuitous Arguments by G.:
When you submit a proposal, it is "optional" to include an adoption index
(R2350). The default value in R1950 is "none" so that likely means the
result (if you submit without specifying at all) is a proposal with "AI =
none".
If you submit with an invalid (but optional) AI, I'm not at all sure
whether it invalidates the proposal creation or sets it at default.
For example, in the case of Rule Changes, if you say "Amend Rule XXXX
([Title])", including the [Title] is optional, but if you specify the
title incorrectly, precedent holds that it invalidates the whole rule
change as overly ambiguous, though that relies on the "Any ambiguity..."
clause in R105 specific to Rule Changes.
Falsifian specified an (invalid) AI of 0.5 when submitting the proposal
in question. So for more general by-announcement actions, does
specifying an invalid but optional parameter invalidate the whole process?
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Gratuitous Evidence by G.:
On 6/23/2019 9:08 AM, James Cook wrote to agora-business:
I create a proposal with the following attributes and text:
Title: It's caused enough trouble already
Adoption index: 0.5
Co-authors: none (empty list)
Text: Repeal Rule 2596 (The Ritual).
Rule 2350/11 (Power=3)
Proposals
A proposal is a type of entity consisting of a body of text and
other attributes. A player CAN create a proposal by announcement,
specifying its text and optionally specifying any of the following
attributes:
* An associated title.
* A list of co-authors (which must be persons other than the
author).
* An adoption index.
Creating a proposal adds it to the Proposal Pool. Once a proposal
is created, neither its text nor any of the aforementioned
attributes can be changed. [...]
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Judge D. Margaux's Arguments:
I judge it FALSE for the reasons given by g.
On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Kerim Aydin <ke...@uw.edu> wrote:
The Proposal Distribution (not the Proposal) was CoE'd on the AI (the
Distribution listed the AI as 0.5, which is wrong regardless). Since
AI is an essential parameter, that means the attempt to distribute the
proposal and create a decision failed, by R107. (using R107 language,
the CoE "correctly identified the lack" of a valid AI).
Therefore the decision was never initiated - it was invalid. (This
all happened before the CFJs were called).
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