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=============================== CFJ 3751 =============================== A player who quotes the number and title of a proposal followed by "FOR" thereby votes FOR that proposal, provided that e is otherwise able to do so. ========================================================================== Caller: Murphy Judge: Falsifian Judgement: IRRELEVANT ========================================================================== History: Called by Murphy: 02 Jul 2019 03:35:43 Assigned to Falsifian: 03 Jul 2019 00:53:46 Judged FALSE by Falsifian: 06 Jul 2019 04:18:16 Motion to reconsider filed by Falsifian: 07 Jul 2019 22:10:21 Judged IRRELEVANT by Falsifian: 07 Jul 2019 22:10:21 ========================================================================== Caller's Arguments: This was apparently claimed to be false a week or two back, with a comment along the lines of "these resemble votes but are not in fact votes". I had long assumed that the implicit "I vote as follows" was backed by strength of custom, similar to "TTttPF". -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gratuitous Arguments by G.: We definitely accepted these sorts of ballots traditionally, but we added stricter language a few years back (but have not raised the issue in CFJ since then, I think). P7814 'FOR Require Intent on Ballots' (o), 28 Oct 2016 inserted this text in R683: (d) The ballot clearly sets forth the voter's intent to place the identified vote. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gratuitous Evidence by G. (recent example): https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-June/040584.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Judge Falsifian's Arguments: For the record, here is a copy of the message G. submitted a link to as gratuitous evidence:
> 8180 Trigon, D Margaux 1.0 Paying our Assessor FOR > 8181 D Margaux, [1] 1.7 Referee CAN Impose Fines (v1.1) FOR > 8182 Jason Cobb 3.0 Add value to zombies FOR > 8183 V.J. Rada, Tiger 3.0 Regulated Actions Reform PRESENT > 8184 G. 3.0 power-limit precedence FOR > 8185 Trigon 3.0 OUGHT we? PRESENT > 8186 Jason Cobb 3.0 Minor currency fixes PRESENT > 8187 Jason Cobb 3.0 Not so indestructible now, eh? PRESENT
Looking at the agora-business archives for October through December 2018, I found a few examples of players sending messages like this, sometimes with text at the beginning of the message like "I vote as follows", and sometimes not. The intention of the quoted message is obviously to submit ballots, so condition 5 of Rule 683 ("The ballot clearly sets forth the voter's intent to place the identified vote") is satisfied. Conditions 1, 2, 4 and 6 are implied by the statement of the CFJ ("is otherwise able to do so") and condition 3 is satisfied since the message specifies each proposal being voted on. If the CFJ were specifically about this message, it would be TRUE. However, the statement is not very specific about the hypothetical message involved. For example, if there were a proposal number 9999 titled "Apotheosis", and a player sent the following message:
Just for fun, what do you all think would happen if I cast these votes? > 9998 Cancel Agora FOR > 9999 Apotheosis FOR
that would clearly not satisfy requirement 5 that the ballot set forth the voter's intent to place the vote. If the above message were sent to a discussion forum, then it also wouldn't count as "publishing a notice" in the first place. The truth of the statement depends on more details of the message. Maybe I should assume an implicit "in any situation..." at the start, which would make it clearly FALSE. But I don't think the statement as given is actually what the caller or anyone else is interested in, so I judge CFJ 3751 IRRELEVANT. ==========================================================================