Sebastiano,

  I am struggling to understand why you are interested in doing trend + 
residual separation? There can be no unique decomposition of a data set into 
'trend' and 'residual', it is a judgement about what model you feel is most 
appropriate given your prior beliefs and observations (evidence). The only 
thing you can say about the model is to validate it on out of sample data (even 
as a Bayesian I say this!). So in a sense there is no correct decomposition, 
and any decomposition is valid (so long as it is correctly implemented - maybe 
that is your question?). Are some decompositions better than others? Well yes 
they are likely to be, but this largely depends on your data (and the 
completeness of the overall model).

In terms of your original question about the shape of the kernel there is no 
overall theory that I am aware of - different kernels will have different 
properties in terms of the function classes that they represent (e.g. 
differentiability, frequency response / characteristic length scales). Kernel 
families will have different null spaces which might or might not be important 
for your specific application and what you want to find out.

I'm not sure if this is terribly helpful ... but I think it is the reality - 
everything depends on your data and your judgement (prior). Conditional on 
those you get a model and you need to validate this model carefully ... then 
you are OK.

cheers

Dan
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of seba
Sent: 02 February 2010 08:39
To: Pierre Goovaerts
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: AI-GEOSTATS: moving averages and trend

Hi Pierre

I think that for my task factorial kriging is a little bit
too much sophisticated (nevertheless, is there any open source or
free implementation of it ??? I remember that it is implemented in Isatis.....).

I have an exhaustive and regularly spaced data set (i.e. a grid) and I need
to calculate locally the spatial variability of the residual surface or better
I would like to calculate the spatial variability of the high frequency 
component.
Here I'm lucky because I know exactly what I want to see and what I need to 
filter out.
In theory, using (overlapping) moving window averages (but here it seems better 
to use some more complex kernel)
one should be able to filter out the short range variability (characterized by 
an eventual  variogram range within the window size???).
Seeing the problem from another perspective, in the case of a perfect
sine wave behavior, I should be able to filter out spatial
variability components with wave lengths up to the window size.
But maybe there is something flawed in my reasoning....so feedback is 
appreciated!
Bye
Sebastiano




At 16.27 01/02/2010, you wrote:

well Factorial Kriging Analysis allows you to tailor the filtering weights
to the spatial patterns in your data. You can use the same filter size but
different kriging weights depending on whether you want to estimate
the local or regional scales of variability.

Pierre

2010/2/1 seba < 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Hi José
Thank you for the interesting references. I'm going to give a look!
Bye
Sebastiano


At 15.46 01/02/2010, José M. Blanco Moreno wrote:

Hello again,
I am not a mathematician, so I never worried too much on the theoretical 
reasons. You may be able to find some discussion on this subject in Eubank, 
R.L. 1999. Nonparametric Regression and Spline Smoothing, 2a ed. M. Dekker, New 
York.
You may be also interested on searching information in and related to (perhaps 
citing) this work: Altman, N. 1990. Kernel smoothing of data with correlated 
errors. Journal of the American Statistical Association, 85: 749-759.
En/na seba ha escrit:

Hi José
Thank you for your reply.
Effectively I'm trying to figure out the theoretical reasons for their use.
Bye
Sebas




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