amit! unfortunately in our country, kanoon ke haath aur procedure, both are
lengthy. also there is no remedy before the incident took place. All the
agencies involve after the accident. the acuse is having full right to
defend and sure he shall go upto supreme court. till that inocent child
shall become adult. also the acuse is a foreign citizen and definitely he
shall take either legal or diplomatic support from his country. the lower
court will take its own time for trial. so we should not expect instant
dicision on the matter.
-----Original Message-----
From: Amit Bhatt via Ai
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 9:41 PM
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: Amit Bhatt
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
It happens everywhere and even in our family, this is not at all a
convincing logic.
Just suggest the same to social workers, Courts and the Government. So they
can stop doing anything towards restricting molestation or rape cases and
breakdown all norms against who so ever gets involved in such crime.
I am afraid many of our friends say it is not an easy to run the
institute,is this a right way to justify the insidence?
What is easy to run then!
One example: a rapest can simply say "it is not easy to manage the mental
state of the mind of a human and that's why I have done this crime!" would
it make any sence?
And then law would forgive him just because it was his desire and he could
not control the mental state of his mind as it is not as easy as running an
NGO.
I don't understand what sort of rational thoughts with logics we are putting
across when we do not have to justify such mishappenings.
Thanks,
Amit Bhatt
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From: "Mahendra Galani via Ai" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
To: "Share, empower &Enrich" <ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>
Cc: "Mahendra Galani" <gal...@chello.at>
Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2017 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
inspite of family not wanting such insident
happening, it happens also in the family.
who u want to blaim?
u can not have round the clock supervision.
not that i am supporting any one,
one can have reasonable care,
but its impossible to avoid totaly.
so friends, stop blaiming others, its never easy to run the institute.
At 05:39 PM 9/10/2017 +0530, you wrote:
Some seniors, since beginning they are criticizing the incident though each
of us has already condemned the incident & expressed our deep concerns over
the bad incident. Whether anybody have any specific mechanism to avoid
these kinds of incidents in future?
Each of us knows, it'll not be the first & the last incident of the
organisation. Every organisation is facing the same kinds of situation in
different-different ways, so, everybody should have give their valuable
suggestions to improve the situation of school campus
This is equally true, the incident took place only due to negligence of
Hostel warden & other resident staff, so, free & fair internal inquiry
should be conducted to fix the accountability & necessary security majors
Should have taken to avoid these incidents in future.
10 years back, I spent almost one month there for computer training & I was
too shocked to find the worst situation of discipline inside the campus.
Their students were involved in various bad activities, like fighting here
& there in the public transport, using Alcohol, one of their students use
to come in our room and stolen the mobile of one of our83 years old
trainees, Mr. Pyaralal Aggarwal.
This is true, their management is totally irresponsible towards the
students of the campus. They are simply enjoying their life in very good
premises of the institution only on the names of welfare of these students.
This is equally true, maintaining of discipline inside the campus should
have been the first priority for the management as well as for some of
their so called volunteers but I am sorry to say, nobody took all these
things seriously. Most of these are simply enjoying various facilities
along with the students & getting attached with the organization for their
own interest only. Everybody is trying to give a safe passage to their
staff members in spite of condemning them.
This is the time for these people, whether they should have to be with the
institution or keep themselves away from the institution. This is the total
failure of these volunteers & management of the institution
I am quite confident that some positive result will come out which will
give a better future to the organisation.
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From: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>r k sarin via Ai
To: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: <mailto:no2illiter...@gmail.com>r k sarin
Sent: Saturday, September 9, 2017 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Who stops the law but the donors are one of the parties of an institution
which any institution fails to recognise. If it is so, they are supposed to
know the situation of the concern to which they are giving donation.
Unfortunately, we call it donation wheras it is the contribution--not a
selfless one but with a strong feeling and commitment to the cause for
which donation/contribution is given.
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From: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>B. R. Nautial via Ai
To: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: <mailto:brnaut...@gmail.com>B. R. Nautial
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Of course! this is not good for the reputation of the institution at all.
Now, the case has already been handed over to the police and they know, how
to deal with the case. I am sure! it'll give a very bad signal to the
donars as well. Everyone of us know, no such institutions can run without
public support, so let them do their work.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>r k sarin via Ai
To: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: <mailto:no2illiter...@gmail.com>r k sarin
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
We have come to know some reliable sources that the students are
disallowing to contact media.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>Kanchan Pamnani via Ai
To: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>'Share, empower &Enrich'
Cc: <mailto:kanchanpamn...@gmail.com>Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2017 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Sarinji
I do not think the discussion should be closed. Even if we close it on
accessindia the press will still carry it and Avinash and others will copy
it for us.
I however think that the reporting to the police has been a good step.
I also think that my advice to Prashant that he must track the matter is
sound advice.NAB Delhi is going to be harassed by many and we in the sector
must atleast criticise only after knowing facts.
Now the next set of problems who will you protect the kids from and to what
extent?
Avinash has listed out a few recent incidents.There are many more.
Who do you trust- Trustees, management,staff, family members, volunteers,
politicians,police, seniors from the same sex or from the opposite sex.
Everyone can be suspect and we have to guard against everyone. These crimes
donot get committed completely by one person. Therefore I had mentioned an
insider accomplice. Management cannot be blamed unless it is directly
involved. If management has taken precaution as much as a prudent man would
have then we cannot blame management.
In many cases the parties have hushed up matters -this is detrimental to
everyone.
But blaming anyone before investigation is over is wrong.
Kanchan
From: Ai [mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in] On Behalf Of r
k sarin via Ai
Sent: 07 September 2017 14:53
To: Share, empower &Enrich
Cc: r k sarin
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Kanchan ji, do you think that this superfluous approach will help NAB and
its institutions in a longer run. Why not to talk about the dilemma of the
NGOs--services vs. management of funds. purely person outlook.
R.K. Sarin
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>Kanchan Pamnani via Ai
To: <mailto:ai@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>'Share, empower &Enrich'
Cc: <mailto:kanchanpamn...@gmail.com>Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2017 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Prashant,
Most NGOs hide such incidents therefore we are proud of you for taking the
right steps.
Maybe other NGOs will learn and our faith in the system will be revived.
Incidents like this happen unfortunately. You can tighten your security etc
but this can happen again.
Much harassment will be doled out to the alleged accused but the same
harassment will be doled out in greater measure to your organisation and
its staff and members first. Unfortunately this is how the legal system
works in India.
Please keep a track of the matter because if you don't the matter will slip
under the carpet. This will take some time to end.
You will need to track the police.
Many in this group have a connection direct or indirect with NAB Delhi and
would like to keep a track of the newspaper reports etc.
Yes no names must or should be revealed.
We are with you please go the whole hog even if there is someone from
inside who is going to be implicated as an accomplice.
Kanchan
From: Ai
[<mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in>mailto:ai-boun...@accessindia.inclusivehabitat.in]
On Behalf Of Prashant Ranjan Verma via Ai
Sent: 06 September 2017 09:54
To: 'Harish Kotian via Ai'
Cc: Prashant Ranjan Verma
Subject: [Ai] Restrict discussion on the NAB Delhi incident
Dear Harish,
The incident reported in the newspapers and by Radio Udaan is under the
POCSO act where peple are forbidden to reveal anything which could lead to
the identity of the victims.
The way peple discuss things on the AI list, I am afraid it could invite
legal action by the police.
So, please do not allow this to go through. I am ofcourse available to
answer fquestions on phone or personal email.
Yesterday Radio Udaan has done a very disturbing show on this already and
they got lot of complains already.
Thanks,
Prashant Verma
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