Hi Robert,

since a Route is just a function from request to future of response you can 
easily achieve all that you describe, delegating as much or as little as you 
wish to actors via the ask pattern (delegating via a parent actor whose ref is 
known to the route). Commonly extracted metadata are conveniently factored out 
into custom or composed directives and the actor may respond with HttpResponse 
for full flexibility in terms of determining the success of the request.

Unfortunately, I am traveling and not at my computer, hence no code.

Regards, Roland 

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> On 3 Apr 2017, at 19:20, kraythe <kray...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes I know routes can be concatenated from several sources. I addressed that 
> in my original post. It doesn't take away from the core thrust. Even the 
> determination of whether an endpoint ends up in a bad request or an ok or a 
> forbidden could take a significant amount of logic to determine in the real 
> world and some of that logic may be a result of aggregating data from several 
> actors which cant be done in a route without ask pattern and then you are 
> back in imperative programming and there is little point to using actors at 
> all. 
> 
>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 11:00:49 AM UTC-5, Rob Wills wrote:
>> If you have lots of endpoints and you want to split them up into multiple 
>> files you can do that using the dsl.  
>> 
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34514372/akka-http-with-multiple-route-configurations/34516168#34516168
>> 
>> I don't think your proposal is a good idea.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 4:52 PM, 'Ryan Tanner' via Akka User List 
>>> <akka...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>> Leaving aside the tone of this post...
>>> 
>>> Have you looked at the longer example of the DSL?
>>> 
>>> http://doc.akka.io/docs/akka-http/current/scala/http/routing-dsl/index.html#longer-example
>>> 
>>> It has examples of how to delegate an endpoint's business logic off to 
>>> actors or futures.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 7:09:32 PM UTC-6, kraythe wrote:
>>>> I was really excited about akka-http as I would be able to unburden my 
>>>> code from the baggage of play and handle my server side as a pure akka 
>>>> actors app but unless I am much mistaken something is dreadfully amiss 
>>>> with the implementation. 
>>>> 
>>>> One of the main core features is the actor paradigm and the integration of 
>>>> a rich actor system. However, the preferred approach to akka-http seems to 
>>>> be a throwback to one file programming. The main reason it seems this way 
>>>> is the DSL. Take this example from a tutorial: 
>>>> 
>>>>  path("bank" / IntNumber) { id =>
>>>>         get {
>>>>           complete {
>>>>             getById(id).map{result =>
>>>>               if(result.isDefined)
>>>>                   HttpResponse(entity =write(result.get))
>>>>               else
>>>>                 HttpResponse(entity ="This bank does not exist")
>>>>             }
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>           }
>>>>         }
>>>>       }~
>>>>         path("bank" / "update") {
>>>>           post {
>>>>             entity(as[String]) { bankJson =>
>>>>               complete {
>>>>                 val bank =parse(bankJson).extract[Bank]
>>>>                 update(bank).map{result => HttpResponse(entity ="Bank has  
>>>> been updated successfully")}
>>>>               }
>>>>             }
>>>>           }
>>>>         }
>>>>     }
>>>>   }
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Simple enough right? Too me I see the start of an anti-pattern but lets 
>>>> look further. It gets worse though, quickly,  as shown in the akka-http 
>>>> documentation here. Still not bothered? The problem is that these examples 
>>>> are shallow and not rooted in the real world. In the bank application 
>>>> above would be hundreds of endpoints and each endpoint would have to 
>>>> validate data send by the user, check to see whether that data correct 
>>>> against the database and a dozen other things that would alter the nature 
>>>> of the return type to a  bad request or internal error. The banking app 
>>>> would also have to log the problems so forensics can be done on malicious 
>>>> users. Just taking one route "deposit" would be several hundred lines of 
>>>> code INSIDE the route. However, it seems that there is no way to break off 
>>>> the route, offload it to another component (such as a Per Request Actor) 
>>>> and then continue the DSL where you left off. I had the chance to see for 
>>>> an app in another company that was asking my advice and their route is 12k 
>>>> lines long and at one point nested 30 levels deep.
>>>> 
>>>> Now I know what you might say, "But Robert, you can break up the route 
>>>> into multiple files" which is true but something has to manually 
>>>> concatenate all of those routes together and they cant be done off of the 
>>>> main route. once you are in the routes DSL you are stuck there. Sure, you 
>>>> can call an actor with a future to do a completion but that actor itself 
>>>> might return data that requires a different kind of completion based upon 
>>>> certain criteria such as whether the user has had their account suspended. 
>>>> So if your completions are diverse, how do you break up the route? 
>>>> 
>>>> Now if someone has answers to these issues I would love to hear them but 
>>>> after researching I found that basically PRA's are deprecated in favor of 
>>>> a "convenient" DSL that entraps the user. For my purposes I opted to go 
>>>> with the low level API and factor off the route dispatching to a routing 
>>>> actor (yes, I know this is what the materializer does) and then just pull 
>>>> out route data the old fashioned way. My router,  does path checking and 
>>>> then dispatches to another actor to handle that specific request and then 
>>>> sends the HttpResponse entity back to the sender which completes the ask 
>>>> and the route. My startup looks like this: 
>>>> 
>>>>   val serverSource: Source[Http.IncomingConnection, 
>>>> Future[Http.ServerBinding]] =
>>>>     Http().bind(interface = "localhost", port = 8080)
>>>>   log.info("Server online at http://localhost:8080";)
>>>>   val bindingFuture: Future[Http.ServerBinding] =
>>>>     serverSource.to(Sink.foreach { connection => // foreach materializes 
>>>> the source
>>>>       import akka.pattern.ask
>>>>       println("Accepted new connection from " + connection.remoteAddress)
>>>>       connection.handleWithAsyncHandler(request => (httpRouter ? 
>>>> request).mapTo[HttpResponse], parallelism = 4)
>>>>     }).run()
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A snippet of the router looks like this. 
>>>> 
>>>> class HttpRequestRouter extends Actor {
>>>>   protected val log = Logging(context.system, this)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   override def receive: Receive = {
>>>>     case request: HttpRequest =>
>>>>       val requestId = UUID.randomUUID()
>>>>       request match {
>>>>          case HttpRequest(GET, Uri.Path("/"), _, _, _) =>
>>>>           notFound(requestId, request) // todo Implement this
>>>>         case HttpRequest(POST, Uri.Path("/hello"), _, _, _) =>
>>>>           invokeActor(classOf[HelloActor], requestId, request)
>>>>         case HttpRequest(GET, Uri.Path("/users"), _, _, _) =>
>>>>           invokeActor(classOf[ListUsersActor], requestId, request)
>>>>         case HttpRequest(GET, Uri.Path("/addUser"), _, _, _) =>
>>>>           invokeActor(classOf[AddUserActor], requestId, request)
>>>>          case uri =>
>>>>           notFound(requestId, request)
>>>>       }
>>>>     case msg => log.warning("Received unknown message: {}", msg)
>>>>   }
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   private def invokeActor(actorType: Class[_], requestId: UUID, request: 
>>>> HttpRequest) = {
>>>>     context.actorOf(Props(actorType, sender(), requestId, request), 
>>>> requestId.toString)
>>>>   }}
>>>> 
>>>> This allows me to fork off PRAs as needed but it kind of stinks in one way 
>>>> because there are a lot of tools in the DSL for unpacking entities and so 
>>>> on that I cant use, or rather if there is a way I and neither I nor anyone 
>>>> within the reach of google has figured it out. 
>>>> 
>>>> So what am I missing? Do people really love this monstrous DSL even though 
>>>> in a 100 endpoint system the thing will be gargantuan? Is there a means to 
>>>> fork off at any point in the DSL and then "reboot the stream"? It would be 
>>>> nice if some of the DSL tools could be invoked arbitrarily inside the PRAs 
>>>> on the request object like. 
>>>> class OrderPRA(replyTo: ActorRef, requestId: UUID, request: HttpRequest) {
>>>> 
>>>>   // ... code
>>>>   sender.tell(withRequest(request) {
>>>>     entity(as[Order]) { order =>
>>>>             complete {
>>>>               // ... write order to DB
>>>>               "Order received"
>>>>             }
>>>>           }
>>>>   }), self)
>>>> }
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Opinions? Thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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