Re: Gump changes

[Nicola Ken Barozzi]

Stefan Bodewig wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

So, trying to get to the point, my concern is that the Gump
descriptor can evlove with respect and cooperation with the
Centipede and the Forrest communities.

And with the Maven community as well.

+1

They seem to be interested from
time to time ...

From what I see they are, I have seen genuine interest.
Maven has a reactor that works similarly to Gump, but is (ATM) IIUC to Mavenised projects.

One of the worst things today that can happen to an Ant committer is
to wear the "I broke the Gump run today" T-Shirt.  If bootstrap-ant
fails, all other things will be yellow.

<hehehe>

I'd expect that breaking the Gump descriptors would be equally
embarrassing.  Changing the descriptors in a way that is backwards
compatible may affect Centipede or Forrest, but then again you will be
there to ensure that doesn't happen.

Yes, you are right. (confidence++)

But some have said that they will not partecipate on Jakarta
Commons, because of the massive quantity of posts on that list

I can understand this point.

I think it's quite important.

and because they feel uncomfortable in that environment.

Would the environment be different on a gump-dev list with the same
people interested in Gump?

Hmmm... good point.

IIUC it's about having non-really interested people lurking in the background and taking part in the discussion by backing one or other part just making noise.
Dunno though, personally I work quite well there from this POV.

We also have concerns about the drastic changes that could be taken
on the descriptor format, and don't want it to happen and break our
efforts to use Gump descriptors in day2day builds in Ant.

> Gump is all about early warnings and backwards compatibility. Well,
not "all", but you know what I mean. I wouldn't expect that to
change.

Ah, ok. (confidence++)

(NOTE: Essentialy his boils down to posts from Maven developers that said they will propose the Maven descriptor format as the standard one. This will break my stuff...)

 - a Gump CVS module open to *all* Apache committers, but with
   us giving oversight on the process

who is "us"?

gump-dev (I counted myself in if you don't mind ;-)

 - commit access given also to selected Centipede developers

Commit access is earned by contribution, you know that.  The bar for
getting voted in as a committer to Gump has been extremely low in the
past.

Ok, I meant "selected" == "that have earned"

Costin, Sam, are you willing to help me in not making this
disruptive for Centipede?

You can count me in here.

:-)

Maybe we can get a common descriptor after all...

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Nicola Ken Barozzi                   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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