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------- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Dec  2 03:51:18 -0800 
2005 -------
So - here is my spiel - as delivered to caolan as to why IMHO a containment
based scheme is better in the long run than a springs approach:

Shared
   * both need a widget measurement API - 'give me your preferred size'

Containment:
   * use the existing hierarchical structure in .rc files to good effect
   * should thus allow the removal of explicit code to construct & initialize
incidental widgets: containers, labels etc.
      * hence saves code-size & also saves a load of numeric identifiers &
        hence lookups
   * consistent with modern UI layout - XUL (html+) of course is containment
based, gtk+ & Java are containment based etc. etc. Any future migration path
would most likely be to a containment system, which could easily be automated
from .?RC -> whatever but not (easily) with a spring approach.

Springs:
   * easier to generate the UI designer changes
   * requires more explicit code to add springs
   * an evolutionary dead-end, containment is the future :-)

As it happens - the dialog implementations are quite heavy & chunky code-wise
already, and shrinking that is IMHO a good idea [removing loads of explicit
chained constructor function calls for widget setup] - also, having a migration
path to a future containment based (XUL?) layout engine is wise IMHO.

ie. springs looks to me like the quick-hack solution to retrofit a dying
toolkit, adding containment gives a cleaner, more sustainable direction, allows
some nice code size shrinkage & eases future migration :-)

Either way - no doubt I missed a few pros of the springs sol'n - no doubt Caolan
will oblige with his view.

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