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OK now we are definitively talking about two different things.
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>The UI language of OOo belongs to the UI language of your OS
Yes is DOES, but THE HELP SAYS IT SHOULDN'T. See below.
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>If the OOo ... UI is set to Standard and the UI of the OS is supported
> by any of the installed language packs for OOo
Yes, of course the language needs to be installed in OOo. That is implied.
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>I've tested with german language pack on an english OOo
> (I don't have swedish systems here)
You don't need a swedish system to recreate the problem, ANY Windows language
version will do.
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>I've tested on a german XP and Vista. In both cases the OOo came up in german
This is what you should EXPECT, but THE HELP SAYS IT SHOULDN'T. See below.
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>I can't confirm that OOo might behave different on Win2003
I have previously in this issue stated that this IS INDEED the behaviour
of Win2003 AS WELL AS XPHome:
>>If I change the UI to "Default" and restart OOo, the UI reverts
>>to "English (USA)" ...
>>... this applies to a US ENGLISH version of "Windows Server 2003",
>>... on a laptop with the SWEDISH version of "Windows XP Home Edition"
>>installed and the UI set to "Default", the UI is SWEDISH.
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>The OOo settings are not influenced by the Java installation. Java doesn't
>write anything to the OOo user settings and can't misconfigure OOo.
I'm knowledgeable enough about the OOo and Java connection not to go into a
debate about that with you. First of all JAVA IS OPTIONAL:
http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/instructions.html
Second this issue was debated in detail, the core arguments are HERE:
http://software.newsforge.com/comments.pl?
sid=46398&op=&threshold=0&commentsort=0&mode=thread&tid=93&cid=112047
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ALL I'M SAYING is that MY OWN EXPERIENCE shows that IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS with
the Linguistic.xcu file in C:\Documents and Settings
\Administrator\Application Data\OpenOffice.org2\user\registry\data\org
\openoffice\Office\
the problem MIGHT go away(and indeed, DID so in my case) IF YOU REMOVE the JRE.
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The fact that I then installed OOo WITH the JRE is irrelevant, I don't doubt
that I could have skipped the JRE altogether and still resolved THAT issue.
My point is I STILL STAND BEHIND WHAT I WROTE:
"there's NO DOUBT that THE ERROR WAS WITH THE JRE INSTALLATION."
You can believe me or not but I don't care which since THAT problem is now GONE.
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>So this issue is still 'works for me'.
Now THIS is the part where I must REALLY disagree :)
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THE PROBLEM IS THIS:
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1. The UI language of OOo belongs to the UI language of your OS:
... on a german XP and Vista. In both cases the OOo came up in german ...
... If I change the UI to "Default" and restart OOo, the UI reverts
to "English (USA)" ...
... this applies to a US ENGLISH version of "Windows Server 2003" ...
... on a laptop with the SWEDISH version of "Windows XP Home Edition"
installed and the UI set to "Default", the UI is SWEDISH ...
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2. IN MY OPINION, CONTRADICTORY to (1), the OOo HELP STATES THE FOLLOWING:
"The default entry applies to the locale setting that was selected for
the operating system."
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3. I interpret (2) like this: "If the OOo UI is set to "Default", I can switch
the OOo UI by switching the LOCALE SETTING in Regional and Language Options
in Control Panel to a language that is also available in OOo".
In YOUR case, switching it to "English (United States)" should make OOo
come up in ENGLISH.
In MY case, switching it to "Swedish" - which I had - should make OOo
come up in SWEDISH even in the ENGLISH version of Windows - WHICH IT DIDN'T.
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The key here is the INTERPRETATION of "locale setting".
YOU seem to interpret it as "user interface language". I DON'T, and for good
reasons:
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FIRST, two quotes from the Help in Windows Server 2003:
"the system default LOCALE (that is, the language and Country/Region
selected during installation)."
"Open Regional and Language Options in Control Panel. On the Regional
Options tab, under Standards and formats, click the LOCALE whose date, time,
number, and currency format you want to use."
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SECOND, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locale
"... locale is a set of parameters that defines the user's LANGUAGE, COUNTRY
and any SPECIAL VARIANT PREFERENCES that the user wants to SEE in their user
interface. Usually a locale identifier consists of at least a language
identifier and a region identifier."
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THIRD, http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/DrIntl/faqs/Locales.mspx
"What is a locale?
In the Windows operating systems, a locale is a set of user preference
information related to the user's language, environment and/or cultural
conventions. This information is represented as a list of values used to
determine the correct input language, keyboard layout, sorting order, and
the formats used for numbers, dates, currencies and time. In order for a
particular locale to be available for selection, the appropriate language
group must be installed.
Windows 2000 and Windows XP includes support for 126 and 136 different
locales, respectively, ensuring that users around the world can configure
their systems to use the correct formats for their own language and region.
Locale support in Windows is provided through a number of different locale
settings: the user locale, input locales, and the system locale. Taken
together, these settings offer users a great deal of flexibility when
setting up a machine.
... What is the System Locale?
The system locale (sometimes referred to as the system default locale),
determines which ANSI, OEM and MAC codepages and associated bitmap font
files are used as defaults for the system. These codepages and fonts enable
non-Unicode applications to run as they would on a system localized to the
language of the system locale."
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SO in MY view, you should do EITHER of these:
a) MAKE THE OOO UI REALLY FOLLOW the locale setting in Regional and Language
Options in Control Panel
b) CHANGE THE HELP STATEMENT to the following:
"The default entry selects the user interface language of the
operating system, provided it is installed in OpenOffice.org ."
That is clear, to the point, and above all NOT CONTRADICTORY.
Doing NEITHER is, IMHO, NOT a viable option. It will ALWAYS CONFUSE SOME,
like me, causing a WASTE OF TIME AND FRUSTRATION before realizing that
the help is just UNNECESSARILY UNCLEAR.
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Regards, Anders B
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