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------- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Sep 27 15:34:56 +0000 2007 ------- @rainerbielefeld Counterquestion: What is your concept for rearranging the rows of a table, e.g. a timeline consisting of a few hundred rows? If you have to move the row "a b c d" below "e f g h", you'll (a) either mess up the table's contents completely (if you're used to the behaviour of Microsoft programs), or (b) 1. Mark the row "a b c d", copy it's contents 2. Move to the row "i j k l" 3. Click on the menu "Table" or type <Ctrl+t> (in German OOo), 4. Select "Insert" or type <Ctrl+g> 5. Select "Rows" or type <Ctrl+z> 6. Click on "Position: Above" or press <Return> 7. Paste the contents from the clipboard 8. Move up to the former row "a b c d" 9. Select "Table"/"Delete"/"Rows" or press <Ctrl+t>+<l>+<z> That's a lot of clicking/typing to simply move _one_ row of a table. If you have to rearrange a few hundred rows, this might be driving you insane. In Microsoft applications and compatibles, all this can be done completely by using the mouse _and/or_ keyboard shortcuts, but with significantly less clicking/typing (Mark a row, move the cursor to the insertion point and type <Alt+d>+<l>, if I remember correctly; I can look this up, if anyone is interested; anyway, it's _a lot_ faster). I think their (Microsofts and those of compatible apps) usability approach is to honor the _context_ of the operation; it recognizes if you want to do an operation on single cells or complete rows; if you're working on rows, the mouse pointer "tilts" a few degrees to the right and marks the complete row; if you select single cells or all cells of a row, but not the row itself (!), the mouse pointer as well as the inverted colour of the marked section(s) look different. This gives a very good feedback to what you're doing. Thus I'd suggest that OOo Writer should allow context sensitive operations. Of course it doesn't necessarily have to mimic the behaviour of Microsoft-style apps, but it _should_ allow similar operations, and should be operatable at least as fast as "Word" and consorts. Besides this usability aspects I'd like to stress again that the expected behaviour when _inserting_ something is that something is inserted and not something else is overwritten. If OOo currently can not honor the context of user operations, as Microsoft apllications do, it should at least honor the setting of the "Insert/Overwrite" key. If it's set to "Overwrite", OOo Writer could behave as it does now, if it is set to "Insert", it should insert the full row as a _new_ row. As to the question what I would expect if marking the block "b c" and "f g", and then copy and pasting it after click into cell with "g": These are _cell_ operations, not _row_ operations, so they could and should behave differently. Example to prove my point: Mark the block "c d" and "g h", copy it, move to "l", and insert it; OOo adds a _new_ row with the contents "_ _ _ g" (the underscores are suppose to signify empty cells). 3/4 of the contents to be pasted gets lost - that's usually not what a user expects. For block operations, there are three ways to deal with tha I can think of: 1. Honoring the context of the operations (as described above); 2. Operating in a special block mode, a function most text editors provide; 3. Inserting the full cutted construct at the insertion point, as e.g. Mozilla Composer and derivates does (if you cout some cells from a table and insert them anywhere else, a new mini-table is inserted on the insertion point). (3) appears to me at least as logical as the current behaviour of OOo, but it's IMHO not very user friendly; thus I'd suggest (1), especially when honoring position of the "Insert/Overwrite" key. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
