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------- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 12 10:32:09 +0000 2008 ------- >> People writing English documents will not need a different keyboard layout if >> their default layout is any other Western layout (French, German, Italian > Right. However, people writing (usually) French documents (and using French > keyboard by default) would probably use another layout (German) to write > documents in German (just for umlauts or sz), for example. I'm afraid you tend > to get into the "US trap of ASCII127" here as English is the least common > denominator for all Western languages ;-). It's not a trap, it's a fact. One must see the problem from a user's side, not from a technical perspective. And the situation I described is very common. There are a lot of people writing documents in their own western language and in English and I doubt that many of them will switch keyboards for that purpose. Of course that may be different for people writing in French and German, but as we can't please all here we must find a solution that does the least damage. > Can your suggestion be re-stated and generalized as follows: "For the system > input language to be auto-applied to the text being entered, the two languages > must belong to different scripting groups"? Here "scripting groups" at the > first glance are similar to Western-Greek-Cyrillic-Turkish-Hebrew-etc fonts > division in old MSWord and in current WordPad. (Just a little background for > pure-western people: like "western" is a basis for English, French, German > etc > having different national keyboard layouts, so is "cyrillic" for Russian, > Ukranian, Bulgarian and others; I suspect that the same situation might be > with > "arabic" at least.) I'm not sure if I understand correctly. OOo already has scripting groups "CTL", "Asian" and "Western". While the first two already have the automatic input language selection we are currently discussing the first. If your proposal is to divide that into sub groups "Western", "Greek", "Cyrillic" and "Turkish": yes, that would be what I intended to get. > Of course, for any "list-based" implementation the evil is that UI changes > have > really been frozen now, so user cannot disable this feature even if he finds > it > working improperly; and we have to be ready for being blamed (the system wants > to be smarter than us again!), maybe not without a reason ;-). I agree; OTOH it was hard to find a proper solution for the necessary UI. I tried to move the discussion forward at several places but it got stuck. The main problem was that people asking for the feature failed to see the problems it created for others and so we have been talking at cross-purposes for quite some time now. I will add a configuration setting to switch the feature on and off regardless of the list; in the worst case we could provide an extension to use it. > OFF: I'd rather say that the whole "default language" idea is a little bit > confusing... Not all operating systems offer input locale switching, so OOo must have some means for that. The "default language" is what we provided, and we still need that. The confusion is present only for systems where something better is available. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
