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------- Additional comments from mvangelde...@openoffice.org Fri Nov 20 18:18:29 +0000 2009 ------- Hi mba - yes, you can set up multiple keyboards per input language for Windows but the point is that, for a subset of people using multiple input languages and keyboard layouts this is extremely cumbersome - sometimes I write in French using a French layout on a Spanish keyboard, sometimes using a French layout on a US keyboard, sometimes in English using a UK layout on a Russian keyboard, etc... etc... this will depend on the text I am writing, on the external keyboard I am using, and between what languages I switch for a single document. Sometimes I need a character that is available on a different layout but it does not mean I am changing input language! Of course I could go into "insert symbol" or "create character" but I find it much more efficient to be able to quickly switch layouts (without using my mouse) and directly type the character(s) I want, without changing the language of the text I am writing. Before, OpenOffice allowed this, the new version does not. If I set up Windows to be able to correctly handle all permutations for all languages I use (I have done so) it means I have potentially 20 permutations to cycle through (by keyboard) or select (by mouse) - not efficient at all, nor handy. I much, much prefer being able to manually tell OpenOffice what language I am writing in a piece of text at any time, and for OpenOffice not to link this to the Windows input language and change the language for me. So, the point, again, that I and several other people are making, is that while having Open Office match the Windows input language might be handy for some users, it is definitely not handy for other users. It is silly to impose "one way" of working with languages/keyboard layouts when there is no good reason for it. OpenOffice used not to impose this way of working on users, it now does. I (and I think several others) believe it should be made optional, so that those that wish to can stick to the Windows input language management system (probably those that do not use multiple layouts for each of a series of several languages) (and that, anyway, is for those on Windows), but those that don't want to, can manage the OOO input language separately from the Windows input language. I don't think that this is a spurious request, and I wish that, even though it is clearly not your preference, you acknowledge that other people may have another way and need of working with keyboards/languages than you do, that is just as valid. Your suggestion that our issue is a result of "unfortunate operation" by us, and that we can't use Windows properly, is frankly rather insulting. I have tried the Windows Input language route that you suggest, and I am sorry to tell you that it is no panacea, it just complicates and slows things down further. It is also interesting that you seem to suggest the way Windows is set up to handle input languages and keyboard layouts is necessarily an efficient set up that everyone should be happy with. I beg to differ. I have no problem with some people finding the current set up more efficient and user-friendly than the previous one - good for them, but that does not mean it is efficient for everyone, which is why, I hope that Open Office will make this setting optional as soon as possible in one of its new versions. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. Please log onto the website and enter your comments. http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/project_issues.html#notification --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: issues-unsubscr...@sw.openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: issues-h...@sw.openoffice.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: allbugs-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: allbugs-h...@openoffice.org
