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------- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri May 13 07:21:58 -0700 2005 ------- I wanna ask to revert translation changes of important word 'File' in such a minor version of OpenOffice.org (it was changed before 1.1.4) ASAP. I can repeat the reasons why you should change back File translation to Byla in *official* OpenOffice.org 1.1.x translations (you can use any word you like in your own translation at ftp://ims.mii.lt/): 1. There are no free software product, which uses artifical word Rinkmena for File translation, *all* products, which I know - in *all* GNOME (32631 strings - 100% translated), *all* KDE (31171 strings), *all* Debian, Mandrake, etc. programs word Byla is used, also Byla is used even in Mozilla, Firefox and Thunderbird translations, which are translated by the same Institute of Mathematics and Informatics. If you have problems with reaching agreement inside your organization, then please don't make these problems public. 2. Because of this big change a lot of mess appeared in various OpenOffice.org distributions, for example: - in *all* OpenOffice.org translations since 2001 (start of 1.0 lithuanian translation) until the end of 2004 File is translated as Byla - in the latest version (1.1.3) of OOo Lithuanian translators distribution (ftp://ims.mii.lt/pub/OpenOffice/ ) File is translated as Rinkmena, while few months ago File was translated as Byla in the same 1.1.3 version from the same place. - in the semi-official OpenOffice.org Lithuanian distribution 1.1.3 version (from ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/ ) File is translated as Byla, while in 1.1.4 from the same place is translated as Rinkmena - in the Debian GNU/Linux OOo Lithuanian translation 1.1.3 ir 1.1.4 versions (http://packages.debian.org/openoffice.org-l10n-lt ) File is translated as Byla - In the latest stable Fedora Linux Core 3 OOo Lithuanian translation File is translated as Byla - in the latest devel version of semi-official OpenOffice.org Lithuanian distribution (ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/645/ ) File is translated as Rinkmena, but Byla still appeares in some places, for example in Save Dialog "File Name" is translated as "Rinkmenos vardas", but "File Type" as "Bylos tipas" (I'm attaching screenshot of this for fun ;) 3. *all* printed documentation and articles about Lithuanian version of OpenOffice.org uses Byla, for example full Lithuanian documentation of OpenOffice.org and Mozilla, 2000 copies of which was distributed in Lithuanian schools and 50 copies to Lithuanian Information Society Development Committee - look at http://www.ivpk.lt/main.php?id=opensource/d5.html If OpenOffice.org Lithuanian translators don't have time for rollbacking File translation I can provide fixed GSI file, I have a signed JCA agreement. btw, modis, you are not right - meaning of lithuanian word "Byla" *exactly* represents the meaning of the English word "File", why do you think english people have chosen natural word "File" for this object, not some artifical word like "Collectionage" ? Lets see how english speaking people are explaining the meaning of file in teaching process, various computer guides, etc, for example in Goldsmiths College, University of London: What is a file? A computer file is in principle just like an everyday paper file: it's a collection of information (data) kept together in a single place (a disk). Like a paper file, a computer file contains not random information but information that belongs together, a graphical image, a database of addresses, a word-processing document. (look at http://www.gold.ac.uk/infos/cs/guides/a203.pdf ) I think the most important in this explanation is "A computer file is in principle just *like* an *everyday* *paper* *file*", that's why english speaking people have chosen file, not another word. In Lithuanian language translation of "everyday paper file", which peole are using in offices is "Byla", for example in big (about 1100 pages) old (published by Alfonsas LauÄka, Bronius Piesarskas and Elena StasiuleviÄiÅtÄ in 1975) English-Lithuanian dictionary File translation is Byla, in online LED dictionary - also Byla, look at http://led.ot.lt/cgi-bin/webled/trl?tp=HTM&wrd=WRD0071618 File is closely related to other object - Folder (directory). Lets see how meaning of Folder is explained in the same collage guide: What is a folder? Like the idea of the file, the idea of the folder is taken from the traditional office, where it corresponds to the filing cabinet full of folders. It seems all translators in Lithuania agree, that Folder should be translated as natural (not artifical) word "Aplankas" (in the same old English-Lithuanian dictionary there is the same translation of Folder). Folder (Aplankas) in natural life means a thing, where people can put various documents, photos, drawings or paper files (which translation in Lithuanian language is Byla). So, why all translators use natural, clear and intuitive word Aplankas for Folder translation, but now some translators don't want to use analogical word Byla for File translation ? Translation of File has to be orientated to real life- to real office in this case, then computer and free software won't be such a misterious and frightening for many people. If National Lithuanian Language Committee doesn't want to understand simple people, who are working in office, then it's not a free software problem, you can compile special branch of OpenOffice.org for National Lithuanian Language Committee, but please don't follow his opinion in free software without consultation with free software users and translators. -- Mantas KriauÄiÅnas, Developer of OpenOffice.org Lithuanian Native Language project http://lt.openoffice.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. 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