Dear all,

I support all the listed 7 items as they significantly extend the capabilities 
of the ALTO Service and accordingly provide incentives to deploy it. I am 
willing to provide effort on topics relating to item 6 while providing help and 
feedback on the other ones.  

Like Richard and Michael, I figure that milestones may be set according to the 
work and discussions already done on the items.  

Thanks to Vijay and Enrico for starting the discussion,

Best regards,
Sabine

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De : alto [mailto:alto-boun...@ietf.org] De la part de Vijay K. Gurbani
Envoyé : jeudi 23 janvier 2014 20:11
À : alto
Objet : [alto] Work items for re-chartering

Folks: Over the last few IETFs, Enrico and I have solicited feedback during 
face-to-face meetings, WG sessions, hallway conversations, ALTO mailing list 
and private conversations on how to move ahead with respect to adopting new 
work items.

As we begin the charter discussions, we have identified seven work items to 
propose as additions to the charter.  The first four of these work items are 
fairly uncontroversial.  The last three are work items that have a monumental 
mind share in the ALTO working group and have been found to be extremely useful 
in controlled networks (e.g., VPNs).  However, we have to take some care in 
defining these such that we do not duplicate the functionality available 
elsewhere (e.g., general
routing) in ALTO, nor do we take on an aspect that the working group does not 
fully understand.

Here are the seven items up for discussion:

1. Anycast-based server discovery
    (Presented by Reinaldo Penno in IETF 86 and appears to have
    some support for adoption.)

2. Third-party server discovery
    (Sebastian Kiesel et al. have been driving this work and it
    also appears to have support.)

3. Incremental ALTO map updates
    (Side meeting held during IETF 86; two proposals have been
    studied.  One way forward is to use an ALTO-specific incremental
    update that may be more efficient, and the second approach is to
    simply use JSON patch.)

4. Server-initiated update notifications
    (Jan Seedorf and Enrico Marocco have suggested the use of
    Websockets; HTTP/2.0 may provide some mitigation as well.)

5. Extensions to annotate PIDs with properties (e.g., geographical
    locations).
    (Useful as an extension in controlled environments, e.g., VPNs
    where IP addresses are not the only form of identification.
    Some drafts, including draft-roome-alto-pid-properties
    has already started work in this direction.)

6. Extensions for cost metrics.
    (Some drafts, including draft-wu-alto-json-te, have started work
    in this direction.)

7. An ALTO format for encoding graphs.
    (draft-ietf-alto-protocol already recognizes the need to provide
    topology details that are useful in controlled environments.
    Richard Yang, Greg Bernstein and others have been working on the
    need and use cases for such an encoding.  draft-yang-alto-topology
    is a good start.  Projects like OpenDayLight and NetworkX (Python)
    have JSON models for graph representation.  Some concrete examples
    of how we envision encoding graphs will be useful during list
    discussion.)

We will like to understand whether the working group believe such additional 
deliverables, if included in an updated charter proposal, would allow people to 
do the extension work that has been repeatedly proposed. (Clarification: we are 
explicitly asking whether people could find such an update acceptable. We 
understand that anyone will have a preferred flavor of the above.)

We are at a point where show of support by whoever is interested is essential 
for moving forward. If it turns out to be positive, Enrico and I will 
subsequently circulate actual text, including milestones, for a rechartering 
request.

Thanks.

- vijay
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9C-533, Naperville, Illinois 60563 (USA)
Email: vkg@{bell-labs.com,acm.org} / vijay.gurb...@alcatel-lucent.com
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