Hi Ron, Thank you for the feedback. It's totally reasonable to push for the "why" before getting into the "how."
The personal problem I encounter is the severe and inconvenient extensibility costs of the current language model. When pursuing data-oriented design or domain-specific numeric types in Java, I find the language's current facilities to be a significant design obstacle. These are not just issues I find while building, but constraints that fundamentally alter how I consider a project's architecture before a single line of code is written. I have encountered the following specific friction points: The Instantiation Tax: On several occasions, I have turned to Java for intensive math calculations. These efforts typically start small but eventually outgrow Java's supported numeric abstractions. To move beyond small memory footprints and 64-bit representational limits, I find I must refactor to contiguous arrays, reusable Flyweight objects, and custom math methods just to manage the memory pressure and data type limitations. Because I cannot define polymorphic static contracts for these types, I am forced to pay an Instantiation Tax—maintaining "witness" objects just to access static logic. The ergonomic noise and heap-inefficiency of the unwanted object headers are so high that I am often discouraged from pursuing my original abstractions entirely. While I have used primitive long types as witnesses for static overloaded method binding, using the NewType pattern for type-safe bindings remains prohibitively expensive; a new NewType class's implementation immediately excludes it from participation within the language's built-in expression operators. In the aforementioned efforts, I have ultimately abandoned Java for C/C++ simply because they allowed me to shape the data layout and its static behavior without this "abstraction tax." The Expression Problem (Post-hoc Abstraction): When I find it necessary to treat third-party classes as part of a common abstraction—for instance, when attempting to resolve Guice-based injection or AOP design issues without the "magic" of runtime reflection—the traditional path is the Adapter Pattern. I find this route unsustainable; creating a new wrapper class for every instance not only fragments object identity but generates significant GC churn. I have seen production code with wrapper classes nested eight levels deep just to satisfy disparate abstractions. The ability to implement type level contracts rather than just instance level contracts, along with type level extension methods, would allow us to side-step the wrapper classes with implementations that bind to existing types without modifying their source code. The lack of them serves as a wall preventing me from designing the clean, type-safe, and AOT-friendly systems I know are possible elsewhere. The ServiceLoader Ceremony: The java.util.ServiceLoader acts like more of a library than a language feature. It requires explicit custom code to verify bindings at startup for fail-fast behavior. The API remains an extra invocation hurdle with its lookup and instantiation requirements. A coherent language-integrated, static service interface method dispatch and binding would dramatically reduce this ceremony and increase utility by moving it from a manual runtime search to a link-time certainty. My "big picture" problem is that Java’s evolution model currently makes it difficult to "grow the language" via libraries that feel native and are performan, such as the recent prototype exploration of Float16. I believe the language should provide the infrastructure for _Static Service Traits_ or otherwise make that kind of library-driven growth a standard capability for all developers. I feel "corralled" into 1990s instance-based OOP. When I explore data-oriented design or high-performance numeric abstractions, the features found in my competitors' language tool belts would be incredibly useful; without them, I find myself looking at alternate language implementations just to avoid Java's structural obstacles. Given that Project Amber’s stated mission is to "right-size language ceremony" and improve developer productivity, doesn't a proposal that eliminates this Instantiation Tax and link-time service ceremony seem like a relevant and worthy pursuit? -Steffen On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 7:45 AM Ron Pressler <[email protected]> wrote: > > The hardest part in designing and evolving a language is deciding which > problems are important enough to merit a solution in the language and how > their priorities compares to other problems. It’s the hardest part because > the language team are expert at coming up with solutions, but they may not > always know what problems people enoucnter in the field, how frequently they > encounter them, and how they work around them today. > > I’m sure there is some problem hidden here and in your previous post, but it > is not articulated well and is hidden in a poposed solution, even though no > solution is even worth exploring before understanding the problem. And so the > best way to get to a solution is for you to focus on the problem and only on > the problem. > > What was the problem you *personally* ran into? How bad were its > implications? How did you work around it? > > With the hard part done, the JDK team will then be able to assess its > severity and think whether it merits a solution in the JDK, if so, where > (language, libraries, or VM), and how to prioritise it against other problems > worth tackling. Then they’ll be able to propose a solution, and that’s would > be the time to try it out and discuss it. > > — Ron > > > > > On 28 Jan 2026, at 00:28, Steffen Yount <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The recent thread "Java Language Enhancement: Disallow access to static > > members via object references" highlights a long-standing tension in Java's > > handling of static members. While that thread seeks to further decouple > > instance state from static logic, I would like to propose moving in the > > opposite direction: "doubling down" on Java’s compile-time and link-time > > static polymorphism. > > > > By beefing up java.util.ServiceLoader facilities and integrating its > > discovery mechanism directly into the language via Static Service Traits, > > we can facilitate the "Witness Object" paradigm discussed by Brian Goetz's > > "growing the java language" presentation and the algebraic "well-known > > interface" model for custom numeric types (like Float16) proposed in Joe > > Darcy's "Paths to Support Additional Numeric Types on the Java Platform" > > presentation. > > > > == Static Service Traits for Java == > > > > I propose a system of Static Service Traits. I use the term "Trait" > > advisedly: this feature adopts a rigorous Coherence Model (inspired by > > systems like Rust) to ensure that service resolution is not merely a > > dynamic search, but a type-safe, deterministic binding of static > > capabilities to types. > > 1. The service Contextual Keyword > > We introduce service as a contextual modifier for interface declarations. > > Marking an interface as a service identifies it as a "service type" with a > > contract for static capabilities and a high-performance service provider > > registry. > > > > 2. Static Implementations and Extension Methods > > • Static Implementations: > > • In Interface Headers: interface MyTrait implements ServiceX<T>. > > Methods are fulfilled as static. > > • In Class Headers: class MyClass implements static > > Numeric<Float16>. Methods are implemented as static on the class. Existing > > signature rules prevent a method from being both a static and an instance > > implementation simultaneously. > > • Static Extension Methods: Desugared at the call site. > > myInstance.method() becomes MyClass.method(myInstance). Notably, if > > myInstance is null, it desugars to MyClass.method(null) without an > > immediate NullPointerException. > > • Ergonomic Aliases: To simplify signatures, we introduce private > > nested static type aliases This and Super (e.g., static This add(This a, > > This b)). > > > > 3. Operational Mechanics & Link-Time Integration > > A ServiceLoader Controller is integrated into the JVM’s class-loading > > pipeline. During class definition, the Controller eagerly extracts all > > relevant metadata to populate the Static Service Provider Registry, > > including: > > • Header-level static implements and implements declarations. > > • Service binding descriptors from module-info.class. > > • META-INF/services/ provider-configuration files. > > Hierarchical Precedence Resolution: To ensure deterministic binding, the > > Controller resolves call sites to their most specific service provider via > > a waterfall dispatch model: > > • Tier 1: Type Specialization: Most specific generic match wins, > > applying the same scrutiny and rules currently used for existing static > > overloaded method resolution. > > • Tier 2: Physical Locality: Provider in the same file (.jar/.class) as > > the caller wins. > > • Tier 3: Loader Proximity: Nearest ClassLoader in the delegation path > > wins. > > • Tier 4: Modular Topology: Internal > Explicit > java.base > > > Transitive > Automatic. > > • Tier 5: Sequential Order: Final tie-breaker via Classpath order. > > > > 4. Coherence, The Orphan Rule, and Quarantining > > To achieve the type-safety of a trait system, we enforce an adapted Orphan > > Rule: A module (or package on the classpath) must own either the service > > interface or the target type to define an implementation. > > • Coherence Enforcement: Violations in modular code trigger a > > LinkageError. > > • Behavioral Continuity: Violations in classpath code trigger a > > load-time warning and the provider is quarantined from the Static Registry. > > To ensure continuity, quarantined providers remain accessible via existing > > java.util.ServiceLoader API calls, protecting legacy iteration-based > > discovery while ensuring the integrity of the new link-time dispatch. > > 5. Performance and AOT Considerations > > This model transforms ServiceLoader into a link-time resolver. JIT > > compilers can treat service calls as direct invokestatic instructions, > > enabling aggressive optimization. This is highly compatible with Project > > Leyden and GraalVM, as precedence can be "baked" into the binary during AOT > > compilation. > > Conclusion > > By transitioning ServiceLoader to a link-time resolver, we provide a > > type-safe, high-performance path for algebraic types and witness-based > > generics. This allows Java to "grow" through libraries—fulfilling the goals > > of both Darcy and Goetz—while maintaining the performance and stability > > characteristics of the modern JVM. > > > > > > Thoughts? >
