So, this is more of a purity requirement -- that the result of the bootstrap be consistently derived from its arguments and no other state. But you are not asking for heroic interning -- just that the bootstraps not do anything "funny". (This is in the same category as "the result should be a constant", though neither the language nor VM can enforce this.) Right?

On 8/17/2017 1:50 PM, [email protected] wrote:
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De: "Brian Goetz" <[email protected]>
À: [email protected]
Cc: "amber-spec-experts" <[email protected]>
Envoyé: Jeudi 17 Août 2017 19:35:33
Objet: Re: Condy bsm should be idempotent
This is going to be problematic for bootstraps that produce, e.g.,
arrays; their equals() method delegates to Object.equals(), which means
such bootstraps would have to maintain an (expensive!) cache for interning.
fully agree,
i've forget the case of array,
structurally equivalent <=> == for primitives, Object.equals for objects and 
Arrays.equals() for arrays.

It is an old problem that constant resolution can be racy, but we would
like for the JVM to manage the race, not the bootstraps.
either we specify that the BSM has to be idempotent and the VM doesn't have to 
enforce that,
the other solution is to say that the semantics of condy allow the resolved 
constant to be a result of a previous call of the BSM with the same arguments.

also, if we want to be able to resolve condy at jlink time, we also need the 
same kind of wordings, because currently a BSM can depend on the daytime.

Rémi

On 8/17/2017 1:30 PM, [email protected] wrote:
equals,
if they are structurally equivalent, same name, same descriptor, same bsm and
same bsm arguments,
they should produce the same result.

Rémi

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De: "Brian Goetz" <[email protected]>
À: "Remi Forax" <[email protected]>, "amber-spec-experts"
<[email protected]>
Envoyé: Jeudi 17 Août 2017 19:22:21
Objet: Re: Condy bsm should be idempotent
Can you clarify what you mean by "same"?  According to equals(), or ==?

On 8/17/2017 12:15 PM, Remi Forax wrote:
There is a way to solve that, mandate the the BSM of a Condy as to be
idempotent, i.e. a call to a BSM with the same arguments should provide the
same result.

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