And the next iteration of the loop I think lands in a more comfortable place.

Constable did indeed die, to be renamed to SymbolicRef.  A SymbolicRef, is, well, a symbolic reference for some classfile or platform entity, including constants, but also possibly including annotations, classfile attributes, indy bootstrap specifiers, or other constructs.

Most symbolic references have a live object analogue; ClassRef corresponds to a Class, MethodTypeRef corresponds to a MethodType.

Some symbolic references are their own live object; this is true for String, Integer, Float, Long, and Double.

Constable was then reborn to mean something else -- something that is constant-able -- i.e., a live object that can be naturally represented in the constant pool.  This includes String and friends from above, as well as Class, MethodType, and MethodHandle -- as well as anything that knows how to represent itself in the constant pool with condy, like var handles or enum constants.

So:
 - Constable -- represents a live object that also knows how to construct a symbolic reference for itself.  Constructing a symbolic reference is a partial function; not all method handles can be represented in the constant pool directly, just the direct kind (for now).  - SymbolicRef -- a symbolic (purely nominal) descriptor for some object.  These can be resolved reflectively or can be intrinsified into the constant pool.  Symbolic references also implement Constable, so you can explicitly store a symbolic ref in the CP (with condy).
 - SymbolicRef.OfSelf -- for the types that act as their own symbolic ref.




On 9/22/2017 11:14 AM, Brian Goetz wrote:
So, to close the loop here ...

Based on these comments, we went through three more rounds of API design, and ... ended up in a pretty similar place to where we started.  First we tried a more formal separation between "Constable" and "ConstantPoolEntry."  Then we tried a CP-entry-centric approach.  And what that brought us back to was, that the central abstraction here is the symbolic references -- that this isn't only about intrinsification.  (If it were, then the comments regarding macro-systems would be spot-on.)  So the current draft brings the symbolic references front and center -- and leaves intrinsification and constant pool entries deliberately in the background.

On 9/2/2017 10:51 AM, Remi Forax wrote:
Brian ask me to explain my concerns about the Constable interface.

The whole constant folding story is like a macro system, it's a limited macro system, but still a macro system. I've developed several macro systems, all have limitations, some limitation that i have introduced voluntarily, some that have appear after being being used, all the macro systems have always evolved after the first release. So the first lesson of designing a macro system seems to be, because it will evolve, it should provide the minimal API so it can be refactored easily.

In the case of constant-folding mechanism, it's not a mechanism that target end users but JDK maintainers, so end users should not be able to see the implementation of such mecanism. It's my main concern with the Constable interface, it's a public visible type with a public visible API.

We have already introduced in the past a mechanism that requires a specific interaction between the user code, the JDK and the compiler, it's the polymorphic methods signature and it was solved by using a private annotation.

I think constant folding should use the same trick. Mark constant foldable type with a hidden annotation (@Constable ?) and mark methods (private) that can be called by the compiler with another hidden annotation (@TrackableConstant ?) and i will be happy.

Compared to using an interface, there is a loss of discover-ability from the end user, but their is no loss of compiler checking because the compiler can check if a type is annotated by an annotation the same way it can check if it implements an interface.

Now, we can discuss if @Constable should be a public annotation or not because once a type can be constant folded, removing the annotation is a non backward compatible change. So having the @Constable public is perhaps better than having to have a sentence in the middle of the javadoc saying that this is a constant foladable type.

Note that constant folding things is also a form of serialization, the first Java serialization API have made that mistake to make the implementation of the part that serialize each object too visible. I think we can do better here. You can also think that like Serializable, Constable could be an empty interface and ldc will take a Constable. But int constant-foldable and i do not see why it should be boxed to an Integer to becomes Constable (The full implication of that is that ldc should be a method with a polymorphic signature but we are moving in that direction anyway).

Long live to @Constable !

regards,
Rémi



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