Hi, Maybe I am mixing things up. I have studied Tao for some while, although unfortunately I have lost the closer touch with the teachings that I had 3-4 years ago.
Anyway, the principle of no mind is not at all abstract and I do not consider it to be mindlessness, and I disagree with your views that what I am looking for or should be looking for is intuition. While studying martial arts more intensely some years ago I attained (through certain undisclosed methods) a certain level of awareness of what the Japanese call sakki (I hope I remember the spelling) or evil intent, that is, I was suddenly able to detect my opponents moves before they occurred. This detection manifested as a knowledge of time and space that the opponent was projecting intent into. Simultaneously, as I entered the no mind-state, I was automatically moving in the correct way to avoid and counter the opponents moves, even mentally, so that they could not even execute their actions in most instances. I did not achieve total invulnerability though. Also, I do not consider myself to have fully achieved the method, since I was not able to reproduce the state fully at all times. It is not intuition. It is an automatic process that occurs when I do not resist the supreme natural reaction to incoming information. Intuition is still thought and inspiration. What I am referring to is not guiding thought at any level. I merely perceive. Water has no form, it adapts to the container without resistance in the most natural way. Since trading is a much slower process however, there is more room for allowing intuition and other thoughts, since it is much more difficult to maintain an alpha-like state of mind while watching charts compared to physical battle, which is what invites danger into the process of discretionary trading. The first idea is often the most correct. However, the above words are only a projection of a part of my very limited understanding of the world. While it may seem that my limited attainment of battle proficiency is noteworthy, it is absolutely nothing compared to the great masters, and my spiritual knowledge and degree of attainment is far below the ancient achieved ones. To approximately quote the Bushido Shoshinshu: When studying the art of military operations, it is important to fully immerse oneself in the subject, and achieve a total understanding of warfare, then one has to return ones mind to the state it was before studying the art of military operations. Since ancient times it has been noted that there is nothing worse than bean paste that smells like bean paste, similarly it has been said that when one encounters a student of military strategy that reeks of military strategy, one cannot stand the smell. Best regards / JM _____ Från: amibroker@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För brian_z111 Skickat: den 4 augusti 2008 00:29 Till: amibroker@yahoogroups.com Ämne: Re: SV: SV: [amibroker] Anyone actually making money? Jan, 100,000 repetitions indeed! Quite correct. However on the subject of 'mindNOT' and Samadhi etc. There are a lot of misconceptions floating around in the west/modern culture, on these subjects, because of the mis-interpretation of the spiritual tenents of our BROTHERS OF THE EAST by unqualified and unauthorised 'teachers'. There is a dirth of true spiritual teachers in the West, for reasons that I won't go into. You are mixing up two different principles. In symbolic terms: CONSCIOUSNESS wears the CROWN. The objective NOT is the subjective ALL (THE LOGOS). You are confusing the "Son of God" with our "Heavenly Father" In general Kharma Yoga is the method for the west/modern culture == the SOUL as an active principle == GOOD WORKS Pragmatically: Don't be concerned about NoMind - it is not for most of us - a very abstract subject beyond the ken of the majority. NoMind != mindlessness You can't achieve it because it is not there to be achieved in the way that you are conceiving it. Intuition is what we should be concerned with. Intuition is not mind reading OR an inferior psychic faculty i.e. inferior to the Concete Mind (objective logic). It is not the sixth sense, although we experience it as if it is. It should be more correctly known as super-rationality. It is our higher mind (also know as the Higher Self, the OverSoul, The Solar Angel, Abstract Mind, Manas). It bridges the gap between Heaven and Earth. In trading it is most appropriately used along the lines of 'positive thinking', the 'power of the mind', 'untapped levels of consciousness' etc which is the popular form of it in the USA where it is a pseudo-religion (the reason for that is that it is so aligned to the methods that are appropriate for the times). These methods are safe to use but it is very unfortunate if the admonition to do GOOD WORKS doesn't accompany them. In your case; you and your trading are working well and if it ain't broke don't fix it. Forget your search for the spiritual Holy Grail of NoMind - that is an impossible dream because it doesn't exist. I wouldn't worry about your personal spiritual welfare - you seem to be sitting quite pretty. brian_z *:-) --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "Jan Malmberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Well, I had 6 years of martial arts training, where I understood (but > unfortunately not yet attained) the principle of "no-mind" when executing > tasks. I have also had some limited time as a military instructor, and it > became obvious that during patrol and combat, when people fire at you > (blanks and smoke grenades, but still), there ones who make it are the ones > who do not take the time to think. > > > > However, ones ability to enter this state of mind is dependent on having > enough training so that you subconsciously know that you really do not have > to think about how to move and shoot properly. > > > > Of the Tekki Shodan pattern, the ancient warriors said something to the > effect of "Most patterns require at least 10 000 executions before being > mastered. However, you should not even consider demonstrating Tekki Shodan > to your master before you have had 100 000 repetitions." > > > > It is interesting to note that to reach the original state of mind while > carrying out un-natural activities, you do need lots of training, and that > some things in every field are a lot more difficult than the average task in > that skill set. > > > > Best regards / JM > > > > _____ > > Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com] För > brian_z111 > Skickat: den 1 augusti 2008 05:32 > Till: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > Ämne: Re: SV: [amibroker] Anyone actually making money? > > > > > 3. Level of spiritual attainment. > > Semantics plays a part in any discussion, especially when we are > crossing cultures etc. It plays a greater role in 'spiritual' > discussion than it does in any other. > > So, first the semantics. > > We are not limited to the term 'spirituality' as we can talk around > the same area in many different terms (objective mind/subjective > mind, rational/intuitive, super-consciousness, super-rationality the > collective unconscious, God, the Soul, the Divine, the Supreme and > millions more). > > For ease of discussion I will stick with 'spirituality'. > > A few basic points: > > - generally the 'spiritual gene' is latent in humanity, across all > cultures > - it is more virile in a small % > - it is particularly latent in the West/modern culture where we have > turned our back on our spirituality > - I dare say this forum has more than its share of latent > spirituality under the surface > - the psychic opposites are not antagonistic forces e.g. soul versus > body but rather a complimentary whole so that is not a matter of > logic/programming trading versus intuitive/discretionary trading. We > are all using both, at different times and places, even those who > deny it (there is no such thing as a 100% objective/rational person). > - a healthy psyche has a good balance and flows between each psychic > pole in its own season. > > The main pragmatic points: > > - we can't bootstrap our subjective mind so we have to turn to > mentors for written or oral teaching > - some have more aptitude for it than others > - I was very priviliged to have some experience in these matters long > before I started trading (my subjective consciousness/soul was > already active and able to express itself in the world) but it still > took years of pragmatic, practical, objective work to 'program' the > trading mind to match i.e. I had to pass a sufficient number of > exams, in the core units, at the 'University of Trading', before I > could 'enter the trading zone'. > > In laymans terms, my intuitive mind was functioning but I still had > to go out and tediously train my rational/objective mind, and learn > as many of the objective rules of trading as I could, before the > subjective and the objective minds could synchronize in the trading > room. > > "Give unto Caeser that which is Caesers AND give homage to your God". > > brian_z > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, "Jan > Malmberg" <jan@> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I sometimes daytrade using even delayed data for the charts, and a > list > > compiled list stored in my broker's web application. It works > alright. Most > > of the time I do short-to-mid-term swing trading. With just the 15- > min > > delayed data. Ok, real-time for the indexes. > > > > > > > > Here's my opinion. > > > > > > > > The three components that determine your success are usually: > > > > 1. Level of analysis. How good you can produce low-risk entries > with a > > probable future outcome, which of course is never totally possible. > > 2. Level of money management. How much you bet on one single > trade, how > > well you scale in, scale out, set and stick to stop-orders, and > more. > > 3. Level of spiritual attainment. How much you have attained the > > "no-mind" state of the ancient warriors and spiritually achieved > people. > > Which means that you fearlessly execute trades while maintaining a > > risk-appropriate behavior. Only really possible when you no longer > fear the > > horrible market and what it might do to you. > > > > > > > > Which one is most important? The one you lack the most at the > moment. I was > > fortunate to start out with fairly solid money management from the > start. > > > > > > > > Best regards / JM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com] > On Behalf > > Of Louis P. > > Sent: Thursday, 31 July 2008 2:15 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > > Subject: [amibroker] Anyone actually making money? > > > > Hi, > > > > I was only wondering... Anyone actually making money or making a > living > > with AB and trading? > > > > I've been working on ideas and plans for over 7 months now and > didn't find > > anything convincing yet. I've been searching daily data, then > hourly, > > 15-minute and now I am into 1-minute data and nothing seems > satisfying. > > Been searching RSI, MFI, ADX, MA, HHV, LLV... nothing seems to work. > > > > So... Anyone is making consistent money with this, and if so, at > which > > timeframe and how do you do it? > > > > I'm beginning to think about switching to tick database; it seems > even > > 1-minute is too slow for intraday trading. Anyone making money with > > 1-minute? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Louis > > >
