Thank you very much. If you need any assistance or confirmation, please just
let me know.

2010/3/20 Mike <[email protected]>

>
>
> Ilhan,
>
> Thanks for the follow through.
>
> I'll have to give this one some thought. I do have a strategy where at
> times, albeit briefly, I am fully leveraged and use profits to take on more
> positions.
>
> When I get a little time, I will have to look into this further. I'll let
> you know what I come up with.
>
>
> Mike
>
> --- In [email protected] <amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>, Ilhan
> Ketrez <ketrezil...@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for your efforts and support, Mike.
> >
> > Amibroker states that due to the ambiguity & variance in initial margin
> > deposits and maintenance margin deposits,
> > they prefer to include P&L in the position value variable and exclude it
> > from Cash.
> >
> > Shortly, Amibroker support does not support this idea as you support.
> > Perhaps they may support with your support :)
> >
> > Ilhan
> >
> >
> > 2010/3/16 Mike <sfclimb...@...>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Yes, it would appear that you are correct. The default backtester does
> not
> > > appear to make the position gains available for additional purchases.
> > >
> > > I ran the following test from 1/1/2009 - 12/31/2009 on a watchlist
> > > containing IBM and ORCL. The expectation is that the profits from the
> IBM
> > > position would be available to enter an ORCL position. However, the
> detailed
> > > backtester message says that there was insufficient funds.
> > >
> > > SetOption("InitialEquity", 85);
> > > SetOption("AllowPositionShrinking", true);
> > > SetTradeDelays(0, 0, 0, 0);
> > > SetPositionSize(2, spsShares);
> > >
> > > dates = DateNum();
> > > firstBuyDate = ((2009 - 1900) * 10000) + (100 * 1) + 2;
> > > secondBuyDate = ((2009 - 1900) * 10000) + (100 * 12) + 30;
> > >
> > > Buy =
> > > (Name() == "IBM" AND dates == firstBuyDate) OR
> > > (Name() == "ORCL" AND dates == secondBuyDate);
> > > BuyPrice = Open;
> > >
> > > Sell = 0;
> > >
> > > Seems like it's worth a follow up to AmiBroker support.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected] <amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>, Ilhan
> Ketrez <ketrezilhan@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Let me correct my previous e-mail first (corrections are in red):
> > > >
> > > > Considering bo is the backtester object;
> > > >
> > > > In Amibroker:
> > > > - bo.Equity is the bar by bar value of the equity
> > > > - bo.Equity = bo.Cash + total value of positions //see below for
> > > definition
> > > > - bo.Cash = (Entry Bar)Equity - total(margindeposit*shares) // Stays
> > > > constant as long as the positions are maintained
> > > > - Value of position = margindeposit*shares +- position P&L
> > > >
> > > > In real life:
> > > > - Equity is the day by day value of the equity
> > > > - Equity = Cash + total(margindeposit*shares) +- total(position P&L)
> > > > - Cash = Equity - total(margindeposit*shares) +- total(position P&L)
> > > > - value of position - no need to define (at most the initial
> > > > margindeposit*shares is required to keep the position)
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > Let me give you an extreme example:
> > > > Please assume that you enter some positions at a bar and you have $50
> > > cash
> > > > left. All the positions are profitable and you have total(position
> P&L)
> > > of
> > > > $50,000. Your "buyingPower" variable increases to $50,050.
> Backtester's
> > > > buying power stays as $50. It cannot open a position as long as it
> > > doesn't
> > > > have cash.
> > > >
> > > > I wonder your additional comments.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you.
> > > > Ilhan Ketrez
> > > >
> > > > 2010/3/3 Mike sfclimbers@
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's been a while since I looked at this, so do your own testing.
> But,
> > > try
> > > > > something like this:
> > > > >
> > > > > gain = bo.Equity - bo.Cash + bo.MarginLoan; // Unrealized gain from
> > > > > holdings
> > > > >
> > > > > buyingPower = (bo.Cash + gain) * 2; // Half equity : half margin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected] 
> > > > > <amibroker%40yahoogroups.com><amibroker%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, Ilhan
> > > > > Ketrez ketrezilhan@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you for participating.
> > > > > > As you mention and as I understand, considering bo is the
> backtester
> > > > > object;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In Amibroker:
> > > > > > - bo.Equity is the bar by bar value of the equity
> > > > > > - bo.Equity = bo.Cash + total value of positions //see below for
> > > > > definition
> > > > > > - bo.Cash = bo.Equity - total(margindeposit*shares)
> > > > > > - Value of position = margindeposit*shares +- position P&L
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In real life:
> > > > > > - Equity is the day by day value of the equity
> > > > > > - Equity = Cash + total(margindeposit*shares) +- total(position
> P&L)
> > > > > > - Cash = Equity - total(margindeposit*shares) +- total(position
> P&L)
> > > > > > - value of position - no need to define (at most the initial
> > > > > > margindeposit*shares is required to keep the position)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Amibroker states that due to the ambiguity & variance in initial
> > > margin
> > > > > > deposits and maintenance margin deposits,
> > > > > > they prefer to include it in the position value variable. However
> > > this
> > > > > > solution prevents coding margin calls and
> > > > > > hence also prevent playing at the limits in terms of position
> sizing
> > > such
> > > > > as
> > > > > > opening positions by using
> > > > > > profits of open positions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I wonder your additional comments on the subject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Ilhan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2010/2/25 tf28373 tomfid@
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've thought that it's just required to define the difference
> > > between
> > > > > > > bo.Equity (which - as I've understood - is current value of our
> > > intial
> > > > > > > equity and all open positions) and bo.Cash (initial capital
> minus
> > > cost
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > opening position that is margin deposit) in order to estimate
> if
> > > trades
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > gainers/losers and, thus, current available capital...? Isn't
> it
> > > like
> > > > > that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected] 
> > > > > > > <amibroker%40yahoogroups.com><amibroker%
> 40yahoogroups.com
> > > ><amibroker%
> > >
> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>, Ilhan
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Ketrez <ketrezilhan@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes. Simple backtester doesn't know the equity and capital
> > > available.
> > > > > > > > CBI does know the Equity.
> > > > > > > > Even the CBI doesn't know the actual available capital unless
> we
> > > > > define
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > calculate ourselves.
> > > > > > > > And even if we define and calculate, we still cannot utilize
> it
> > > when
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > need
> > > > > > > > since we cannot define it as BacktesterObject.Cash.
> > > > > > > > BacktesterObject.Cash gives the difference of Equity - entry
> time
> > > > > (shares
> > > > > > > *
> > > > > > > > margindeposit). Cash earned/lost by the position stays in the
> > > > > position
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > doesn't change the BacktesterObject.Cash.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2010/2/10 B S <bs2167@>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, thanks...that's similar logic to what Paul Ho
> suggested
> > > with
> > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > multiplex function, but it unfortunately does not address
> the
> > > issue
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > picking between simultaneous signals from multiple systems
> > > based
> > > > > upon
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > capital available to each system (unknown until you get to
> that
> > > bar
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > backtest loop).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > *From:* Ilhan Ketrez <ketrezilhan@>
> > > > > > > > > *To:* 
> > > > > > > > > [email protected]<amibroker%40yahoogroups.com><amibroker%
> 40yahoogroups.com
> > > ><amibroker%
> > >
> > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > *Sent:* Wed, February 10, 2010 2:18:41 PM
> > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [amibroker] Multiple Systems & Risk Mgmt in
> one
> > > > > formula
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Setting different ranges of scores and buy-sell prices for
> > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > systems by simple IIF function may be a solution, at least
> > > lightens
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > problem I guess.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2010/2/10 B S bs2...@yahoo. com <bs2167@>>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Hi-
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I asked Marcin a question related to this earlier, but
> given
> > > the
> > > > > > > > >> considerable interest in the past on this board regarding
> > > managing
> > > > > > > multiple
> > > > > > > > >> systems, I'd thought put some further thoughts here. My
> > > > > understanding
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > >> the conclusion reached during the last round of
> discussions
> > > was
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > each
> > > > > > > > >> individual should use low-level CBT to accomplish their
> > > multiple
> > > > > > > systems
> > > > > > > > >> management goals. So I've done that, but in the end its of
> no
> > > > > > > practical use
> > > > > > > > >> because of the incredible number of static arrays that
> were
> > > > > required
> > > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > > >> it - it 'works' on small samples/tests but the memory
> demands
> > > are
> > > > > too
> > > > > > > great
> > > > > > > > >> for things that I'd actually use it for. As my objectives
> were
> > > > > rather
> > > > > > > > >> simple, I imagine that others are still wrestling with
> similar
> > > > > issues.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> As an example, part of my plan was to limit the % of
> equity
> > > that
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > > >> employed by any one system at a given time. Therefore,
> while
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> backtester I needed to know which system or systems
> generated
> > > the
> > > > > > > signal.
> > > > > > > > >> So I started by creating a static array that i could later
> > > access
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> CBT which contained flags (1,2,4,etc.) indicating which
> system
> > > or
> > > > > > > systems it
> > > > > > > > >> came from. However, because of the memory issues, I
> decided to
> > > > > stuff
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > >> flags into the positionsize property and just determine
> the
> > > actual
> > > > > > > size
> > > > > > > > >> later while looping through CBT. That allowed me to
> determine
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > systems
> > > > > > > > >> signals were coming from, and then choose which model to
> > > allocate
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > trade
> > > > > > > > >> to (in the event of multiple simultaneous signals), but I
> > > still
> > > > > needed
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >> get the correct entry price. There could be as many entry
> > > prices
> > > > > as I
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > >> systems, and since I don't know which I'll be using until
> I
> > > get to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > >> backtester, I needed to store all of them - another static
> > > array.
> > > > > This
> > > > > > > > >> process continued like this and then it occurred to me
> that
> > > just
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > >> of these issues would go away if I could just attach the
> > > > > information I
> > > > > > > > >> needed to the entry signal object. So for example, the
> user
> > > could
> > > > > set
> > > > > > > > >> PositionSize1, PositionSize2, PositionScore1,
> PositionScore2,
> > > > > > > BuyPrice1,
> > > > > > > > >> BuyPrice2, and so on...or perhaps just dummy variables...
> > > Dummy1,
> > > > > > > Dummy2,
> > > > > > > > >> etc.. I'm sure there's a memory cost to doing this, but it
> > > can't
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > >> anything like storing all these static arrays (is this
> > > correct? i
> > > > > > > really
> > > > > > > > >> have no idea what i'm talking about). Also, I'm sure just
> > > making
> > > > > these
> > > > > > > > >> additional property slots available will come at some
> > > performance
> > > > > > > cost, but
> > > > > > > > >> perhaps adding them could be an option in settings.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> For all I know, editing the number of properties that can
> be
> > > > > stored in
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >> signal object is already possible - is it? If not, do
> others
> > > think
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > >> would be useful? Is there a better way of achieving the
> types
> > > of
> > > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > >> that I'm trying to do?
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Appreciate any dialogue whatsoever on this - have spent an
> > > > > embarassing
> > > > > > > > >> amount of time on it without much to show for it.
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