John...nice try, thats the old straw man argument
> 
> And talk about having their heads inserted into their anal orifices, we 
> have people saying, in essence, "you people are too stupid to make a 
> complex high-earth-orbit satellite work", and at the same time, "you 
> people are foolish to invest any energy into educating students about 
> satellite technology", or even worse, "you are foolish to try to take 
> students who are already interested in satellite technology and get them 
> excited about the possibility of using that technology for 
> non-commercial (i.e., AMATEUR) radio communications". Give me a break. 
> Maybe one of those folks, a REAL rocket scientist, will someday be the 
> person who leads us amateurs to success.
> 

all the "cliches" that you quote aside I'll try one "A person has got to know 
their limitations"...and any organization that allows a "remove before flight" 
flag to stay on in flight is not dealing with their limitations.  Indeed in the 
real world, pilots are grounded permanently for taking off with one of those 
flapping.

my entire point is that AMSAT ought to fly vehicles in concert with the 
limitations of the capabilities of the folks who are building them...not in 
concert with their imagination

anyway this thread is as I noted pretty well talked out.  Hopefully the space 
shuttle can launch without the foam coming off and banging the vehicle.

Robert WB5MZO

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