Paul, Life is full of ironies, but sticking with the FCC and ARRL standards prevents complications and conflicts. We have enough of those. :) Unlike other non-states which are recognized, it is geographically contiguous.
Having grown up nearby in Maryland, with relatives who were born Washingtonians, I have heard many heated debates. Some over Thanksgiving dinner. The District has always had an odd status, neither fish now fowl, or sometimes a little of both. If the discussion quieted down, I would suggest that all the problems could be solved by retro-ceding the District to Maryland. Then I ducked under the table. 73s, Alan WA4SCA <<>>-----Original Message----- <<>>From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org <<>>[mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer <<>>Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 12:04 PM <<>>To: kk...@amsat.org <<>>Cc: amsat-bb@AMSAT.Org <<>>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: DC and AMSAT Awards <<>> <<>>The Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc. all count as <<>>separate entities <<>>for these awards as DXCC entities. <<>> <<>>I find it ironic that an organization that is incorporated <<>>in the District <<>>of Columbia and had it's first headquarters in the District <<>>of Columbia <<>>would not recognize that the District of Columbia is a separate and <<>>distinct entity that is not part of the State of Maryland. <<>> <<>>73, <<>> <<>>Paul, N8HM <<>> <<>> <<>>On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Bruce <kk...@amsat.org> wrote: <<>> <<>>> I took over processing the awards for AMSAT over 10 years <<>>ago and have <<>>> processed it the same way the previous awards managers had done. <<>>> <<>>> You are absolutely correct that DC does not count for <<>>this award because <<>>> in creating our award, we used the ARRL worked all states <<>>award, the RAC <<>>> worked all provinces award and the DXCC list to create <<>>our award. There is <<>>> nothing in any of those awards that include District of <<>>Columbia and our <<>>> award does not either. <<>>> <<>>> Also, we do not include US Territories such as US Virgin <<>>Islands, Puerto <<>>> Rico, and Guam and a couple other islands in our awards. <<>>> <<>>> 73...bruce <<>>> <<>>> <<>>> On 9/24/2013 11:24 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: <<>>> <<>>>> Bruce, <<>>>> <<>>>> That an illogical argument. Only three states have their <<>>own prefixes: <<>>>> Alaska, Hawaii, and California. <<>>>> <<>>>> It also ignores the fact that the District of Columbia <<>>is not part of <<>>>> Maryland. Incidentally, DC is the only top-level <<>>subdivision of the United <<>>>> States or Canada that does not count as a separate <<>>entity for this award. <<>>>> <<>>>> 73, <<>>>> <<>>>> Paul, N8HM <<>>>> <<>>>> <<>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Bruce <kk...@amsat.org> wrote: <<>>>> <<>>>> If the FCC and ARRL would recognize the District of <<>>Columbia with its own <<>>>>> prefix as the RAC has done with their provencies and <<>>territories then we <<>>>>> should. However, until they do, it is included as a <<>>contact for Maryland. <<>>>>> <<>>>>> Here is the list from RAC that they use for their contests. <<>>>>> Nova Scotia [NS] (VE1, VA1, CY9, CYØ); <<>>>>> Quebec [QC] (VE2, VA2); <<>>>>> Ontario [ON] (VE3, VA3); <<>>>>> Manitoba [MB] (VE4, VA4); <<>>>>> Saskatchewan [SK] (VE5, VA5); <<>>>>> Alberta [AB] (VE6, VA6); <<>>>>> British Columbia [BC] (VE7, VA7); <<>>>>> Northwest Territories [NT] (VE8); <<>>>>> New Brunswick [NB] (VE9); <<>>>>> Newfoundland and Labrador [NL] (VO1, VO2); <<>>>>> Nunavut [NU] (VYØ); <<>>>>> Yukon [YT] (VY1); <<>>>>> Prince Edward Island [PE] (VY2). <<>>>>> <<>>>>> AMSAT chose to use the same list in their award since <<>>AMSAT-NA includes <<>>>>> Canada. <<>>>>> <<>>>>> Hope this helps. <<>>>>> <<>>>>> 73...bruce <<>>>>> <<>>>>> <<>>>>> <<>>>>> On 9/24/2013 9:13 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: <<>>>>> <<>>>>> Good morning, <<>>>>>> <<>>>>>> I was curious about the rules for the the OSCAR <<>>Satellite Communications <<>>>>>> Achievement Award, the OSCAR Sexagesimal Award, and <<>>the OSCAR Century <<>>>>>> Award. <<>>>>>> <<>>>>>> The rules from KK5DO's website state that "A contact <<>>is defined as one <<>>>>>> with <<>>>>>> a station in another state, DXCC country or Canadian <<>>Provience. Once you <<>>>>>> have a contact with a station in that area, you must <<>>hunt for another." <<>>>>>> <<>>>>>> Furthermore, the rules also state that "For those that <<>>have the RAC <<>>>>>> CANDADAWARD or ARRL WAS with satellite endorsements, <<>>you may submit a <<>>>>>> copy <<>>>>>> of your certificate as proof of working the 13 <<>>Canadian Proviences or 50 <<>>>>>> U.S. States." <<>>>>>> <<>>>>>> Since Canada only has ten provinces, that implies that <<>>the three <<>>>>>> territories also count under the definition of <<>>"province." Similarly, I <<>>>>>> would argue that the definition of "state" should <<>>also include the <<>>>>>> District of Columbia as a separate entity since the <<>>precedent from <<>>>>>> counting <<>>>>>> the Canadian territories as "provinces" is clear. <<>>>>>> <<>>>>>> Does the District of Columbia count as a separate <<>>entity for the <<>>>>>> purposes <<>>>>>> of these awards? <<>>>>>> <<>>>>>> 73, <<>>>>>> <<>>>>>> Paul Stoetzer, N8HM <<>>>>>> Washington, DC <<>>>>>> AMSAT-NA #38,913 <<>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ <<>>>>>> <<>>>>>> Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions expressed are <<>>those of the <<>>>>>> author. <<>>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? 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