-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1Calm down please. I think Gerald was just a bit annoyed, and he might had been a bit rude. But he already said he was sorry.
I'm calm, perfectly calm... I think :P no honestly, I'm calm, I was rude, of course, but that wasn't because I was vulgar (I will maintain this opinion :P).. anyways, Alvaro, you're mostly right so, sorry Gerald for being such an ass, I guess being tired doesn't help.. I accept your apologies and hope you accept mine too.
We can't blame him if he didn't want to try to compile all locales for his system. He knows what he's doing. Didn't you ever feel like this when you call to the technical service for your ISP, for example, and the operator asks you to check "internet explorer configuration", and so on? (this is very usual here in spain) You feel you're being treated like a stupid. You know perfectly the problem is not in Internet Explorer because you're using linux. But the operator has to ask it, it's their job!
yes, I know the feeling too, and I understand it, problem is, it's frustrating to us too, because we might have found the solution, but yet, he didn't try it, and what I didn't like is his way of answering us, like we owe him something.. but yes, it was nothing compared to other posters...
So Youness, please calm down :p Your reply shocked me a bit. We usually meet real trolls or rude people in this list, or in the forums, but I think Gerald is not one of these! Think of YVes, for example :)
YESSSSS!!! well, no, not Yves, let's not talk about him :P I've made enough noise about this :P but yeah.. I spent some 20+ hours of intensive support for days after 0.95 came out, so yeah.. I think that sharpened my nerves a bit too much and I became easily 'irritable'.. no, now that you say that, yes, Gerald was rude, but nothing compared to others... (I just had a 'all or nothing' system set up after 0.95 release, need to reformat :P)
And Gerald, please keep us informed of the progress on this bug. As you can see, we think this problem is not from AMSN, but from the toolkit. We can just ask you to try some things, like compiling all locales, to workaround the problem. I hope the TK developers will find a better fix.
before trying the locales thing.. did you try the fonts thing ?p.s.: I was rude in my answer because I was fed up, I did not insult you or disrespect you in any ways (my opinion and if you though the opposite, then it's a misunderstanding)... some of my known emails usually have "fuck you" in them, you didn't get that, you should feel lucky :P
Greets. Youness Alaoui wrote:1 - you were rude, no second thoughts about that 2 - what profanities from "the previous poster" ???* 3 - I prefer to be vulgar when needed than to be rude when not needed.. it is said that being polite is simply another way of being hypocrite 4 - frustration should go to : a) your machine b) yourself for f***-ing up your machine c) yourself for not wanting to try a solution that was proposed by our team d) Xfree/Xorg/Tk for not correctling supporting systems with a f***-ed up locales system 5 - frustration should not go to : a) someone doing his/her best to try to help you b) someone who didn't do anything wrong (for now, I'm watching you Vivia :P) c) someone who would have done everything necessary to fix the problem if it was fixable from our end 5 - problem might be from Tk, might be from X, but it's mainly coming from your PC.. 6 - http://tcl.tk + http://tktoolkit.sf.net 7 - ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] && # fix my system's locales setup! 8 - bye KaKaRoTo On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 11:30:57 -0500, Gerald Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:My apologies to those who feel that I answered harshly. I suppose my frustration came through. At least I did not resort to profanities in the manner of the previous poster (I do not use such profanity in my speech and certainly not in writing. It is simply not appropriate.) I am also quite thankful for the support I have received from this list. While it has not yet resolved my fundamental problem, it has certainly been educational. For that, I am grateful. Now I would very much like to pursue this issue with the tk group. Can anyone point me in their direction? On 1/20/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I'm a bit surprised by the 'harshness' of this thread... let me summarize it : 1 - a user xxxx's up his PC and asks for help 2 - we try everything to help him as much as possible 3 - it didn't work 4 - we found out his pc is not 'normal' and ask him to install what HAS to be installed 5 - he clearly doesn't care, answers harshly, thinks it's our fault, we're the evil guys, we should burn in hell 6 - we still answer him kindlyconclusion : someone who has to remove those locals to avoid an 8 hours compilation should clearly spend a little 50$ to buy the cheapest PC onearth which would probably be 100 times faster than his current one (50$ can be earned in less time that you need to compile amsn on your PC)... that same person should learn how to be grateful, say thanks/sorry for bothering/whatever, that same person should learn how to talk to people, and stop being an ass and accusing us of being the evil people ripping apart his world.. that same person should also know that if hedoesn't use a whatever locale, it doesn't mean someone else doesn't, andif someone else does and he's in contact with him through a messagingprogram, he should not expect everything to work right away... he shouldalso know that when there is an X problem, he should go ask for help (not yell) at X devels, not amsn devels (all solutions that WE provided (out of courtesy) were related to your system being fucked up and to X serverbeing misconfigured, in order to give you support on avoiding to have X crash, no solution involved playing around with amsn itself.. didn't henotice that???) out of luck, I must go.. but I'd like to give this thread to someone withpsychology training and I'd like to get a full analysis of the situationand of that person who has no human behavior... summary of the summary : get a life and be nice to others! KaKaRoTo On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 10:55:09 -0500, Vivia Nikolaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jan 2006, Gerald Britton wrote: >>> amsn must respect the locale I set (via LC_ALL= or LANG=). It has no >> business trying to use any others. At the very least it should query>> locale availability (locale -a) before trying to use them. > > it's not amsn, it's tk, i repeat........ :( > >> "Just giving it a try" will, in my case, result in an eight-hour >> compile job to try to circumvent a clear application bug. >> OK, go and ask the tk people then. Nothing we can do about it I guess.> > BTW, I am not sure that this is the cause of your problem, I am just > guessing... There were also some solutions on forums, try to search for > those. > > Vivia > > > -------------------------------------------------------> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log> files > for problems? Stop! 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