I was going to stay away completely from this thread, however some of
the
statements that Youness made have obliged me to reply. I will however
keep
it very and generalised. Also note, I had note seen the 12 images before
reading this thread.
To start with, some of the comments that Younness have made if you ask
me
are a lot worse and more racist than those cartoons. And then if you
want to
say the following:
Sorry, I didn't mean to shock!! I said that in a joking manner...
how do you know that the artists who drew the cartoons weren't thinking
the
same??
You said that the cartoons were drawn either by a Christians or Jews,
what
makes you say that? The only reference I can see to either in any of
the 12
cartoons is the 1 which has a star of David and a crescent moon under
some
sort of ice-cream cone/pacman sketch (as you may be able to tell I don't
understand the caption and couldn't figure out the cartoon...). If you
therefore truly believe that these could only have been drawn by
Christians
or Jews then it seems that you have some hate towards both.
If you are going to comment on the situation in Israel please take a
look at
the history of Israel and the Palestinian conflict. I did a google
search
and this was the first page that came up, it is very short and covers
all
the major wars.
http://www.factsofisrael.com/en/history.htm
You were adamant about the fact that 'Muslims never attacked a church'
what
about synagogues? Do you know how many synagogues were destroyed by
Muslims
in the Arab controlled areas of Israel? (the number that were 'not'
destroyed could probably be counted on 1 hand)
You asked for a definition of Zionism, it is the belief that the Jewish
nation should have its own state where Jews can live under their own
rule
without persecution from other nations. It began as a response to
rampant
anti-Semitism in the late 19th century.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Youness Alaoui" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:41 AM
Subject: [Amsn-devel] Re: [Amsn-devel] OT : Fwd: des caricatures
représentant le Prophète Mohamed salla ALLAH alih wa sallam
Sorry, I didn't mean to shock!! I said that in a joking manner...
I did mean Israel indeed and didn't generalize this to all Jews... I
think
there are jews and sionists, I don't know the difference though, but I
think sionists are the pro-israely people, or the jews extremists, or I
don't know.. anyways!
About the thread, I didn't want it to be such a huge problem, it's
indeed
off topic, I though people would understand the importance and go vote,
but it seems noone but people with muslim education could undestand how
much it hurts to see this problem...
Sorry for making a fuss.. it won't prevent us from releasing a good
aMSN,
right? a few hours of OT mails.. was it that dramatic to the aMSN
development ?
Anyways, if people still want to talk about the subject, they can use PM
as someone else did, this way, we'll avoid disturbing Jerome and Phil..
btw.. Phil.. not having opinion on something that doesn't concern you..
ahh, you dissapoint me!
KKRT
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:56:49 -0500, Le Philousophe - Phil
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi,
Be careful with what you say, you just shocked me !
You say I quote : "200 are killed by Bush and Jews". Israël is Jude but
Jews
aren't Israël there are many Jews in other places of the world and they
don't
ask anything to anybody ! I think this thread shouldn't have begun and
should
be stopped immediately. I suggest you continue that in PM... I think
(like
Jérome) that this Mailing list isn't a place where we should exchange
political ideas... Even if it is off topic...
Please Youness, I can understand you are affected by this story but I
believe
too you are a reasonable guy so I hope my message will be the last off
this
thread... I don't want to have opinion on the trouble as I don't feel
concerned with it.
Phil
Le Monday 06 February 2006 22:12, Youness Alaoui a écrit :
On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:00:32 -0500, Philippe Khalaf
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yo,
Yo, Yo
>> Phil, too bad you're not understanding this the same way as I do..
you
>> can't ask people to stay quiet.. not after everything that's
happening..
>> how many muslims have died because some country loves to kill
muslims..
>> how many muslims live a horrible life because they are opressed by
>> others.. and how would you feel for example, if you tried to help a
>> friend
>> by being nice to him and he just took it the wrong way and stoped
>> talking
>> to you? it's the same.. the world's opinion on muslims is so bad is
is
>> almost 100% opposite to everything the Islam is...
>> so many people think Islam is violent, while it's the most non
violent
>> religion on earth...
>> people are just fed up and we just can't take it anymore and shut
up...
>> Thanks for sharing your ideas...
>
> Don't worry I do understand mostly how you feel. Let's just say that
> Lebanese Christians have a whole lot of skeletons in their closets
> (from the war) and I sometimes have to answer for it even though I
> wasn't born at the time :P
ok cool.. you have a skeleton in the closet ? can I see it? :D
> But you have to look at the bigger picture. Muslims today are like
the
> Jews of before. They are mostly seen by the "west" as evil.
humm.. I though the Jews were still seen as the evil by the whole
globe..
they only have too much power for anyone to say it out loud :P
> But on the long term I wouldn't worry to much about it. Islam is the
> largest religion on the globe and Muslims do get more children,
> therefore Islam is growing all over the world, western countries
> included. The world is trying to deal with this new dynamic and well
it
> needs time to adapt, but it eventually will. The first reaction to
any
> cultural change is always fear and hatred. It will pass.
yeah... 100 new muslims are born every day, 50 are converted from
another
religion, 200 are killed by Bush and Jews... great expansion... :)
Also, I'm worried about one thing, even if we are bigger than other
religions, most of muslims are not well educated.. look at me, I'm
'Muslim', yet, I don't pray, I don't follow any rule, I know 5% of my
religion, and I say 'fuck you' to people when I loose control.. I
should
be more pacific, don't you think? :)
all this to say that the opression made most muslims angry and I don't
know if they skeletons from the closet of the muslim people (when they
have a closet..) are not going to ruin everything..
> Laterz,
> Burger
>
>
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