On Mon, 01 May 2006 04:22:05 -0400, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Op zo, 30-04-2006 te 20:50 -0400, schreef Youness Alaoui:
>> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 18:49:09 -0400, Karel Demeyer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> wrote:
>> > * No extra button for a "copy" action .. please :)
>>
>> I think the same... pleaseeeee! :)
>> but an alternate solution might be the copy popup menu on left click,
>> and
>> the cursor becoming a hand on hover, so people will know they can
>> copy...
>
> *Imo*, "Copy" is always in a context-menu. If a user thinks he might
be
> able to copy something, he'll right-click it ... or select if possible
> and Ctrl-C. also menus on left clicks are for menubuttons to chose
> which action you want a button to do at the time you click 'm because
> there is more then 1 action that is kind of the same. If you want an
> action on left click it would be like .. left click makes the
background
> the same as in normal texctwidgets and makes it editable ... maybe we
> could think about this for the creation of the custom nickname/psms
...
> but it would make the "nick" and "psm" info not be shown when a custom
> one is set. So, no, forget about this ;)
yeah, I guess you're right on that one, I just gave an idea of what
could
be done to be simple... but anyways, why loose time on such a features
which may be used only by 1 or 2 users... (and 3 or 4 users will know
that
the feat exists in there)
>> > * selecting part of it is great but without selecting, pressing
"copy"
>> > should copy the whole thing ... now it gives a bugreport because
the
>> > selection is empty
>>
>> humm... it's acceptable yeah... but I just don't like the selection,
>> bg/fg
>> color.. unless we find a nicer highlitcolor
>
> Color should be the same for all selections, right ? I mean like ..
> selectiojn uin teh chatwindow .. isn't this a skin-setting ? If not,
it
> should become one imo :).
Yes, I was thinking the same, but I don't think it's a skin option and
yeah it should be... I don't know which color would be best but we gotta
find one because the default tk one sux
>> > * what about adding the e-mlail in the properties pane too and
>>
>> removing
>>
>> > it from the menu ? it's in the tooltip for quickly checking anyway
>>
>> no, keep it in the popup menu, without the email, we can't know who
we
>> want to send the message or something.. unless you remove it and make
>> the
>> "Send message" message into a "Send message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>
> I don't agree on this. Do you see a "name of what you right clicked
> obn" in any context menu in any application ? I don't. Maybe I use
> whole othere software then you do ..but I think this has a meaning.
> It's using screen-real-estate without being usefull at all. When you
> right-click something you know who you right-clicked. If not, there's
> an other error in amsn's UI .. but please don't workaround an error
with
> another error :). In this case the "other error" moght bu the fact
that
> when we right-click a user it's not selected. Though is is not
*NEEDED*
> imo, it would make it a lot better. Tho "copy the function" is handy
> and I did use it before ... but it's not something "Joe Average" will
> use on daily basis. IF he wants this information, he can get it inthe
> place all information of a user is top be found ... the properties
> pane :). Also, he "properties" entry should be the last in a users'
> context-field, that's way more natural.
>
> Also ... don't you think the "notes" entry shouldn't be in the menu
and
> the notes should be just another page in the properties window ?
Notes
> arejust like information about a user you added. IMO this belongs
with
> the other information about the user provided or you can set (custom
> nick/psm...). Secondly, the "alarm preferences" should maybe not be
> grouped with "properties" in the menu. maybe we could have it in
> actions > set an alarm ? Maybe it should be a dialog on it's own ?
I
> don't think this is preferable though. Opinions ? :) In a lot of
> software programs the UI is made up the way the code is written. I
> mean ... it's not because 2 features use the same "object" or are
saved
> in the same array they should be grouped in the UI ... remember this
:D.
> I can't give an example in amsn's code right now but I guess we also
> make this fault sometime. I plaid guilty.
ok, calm down now, you just wrote a whole lot of GUI stuff which is part
of the new GUI design that is supposed to be done for a future version..
we already know that, and it's one of my top priorities list that I've
given to Tom (our UI designer), and we already talked about this too, we
need a full rewrite of the GUI interactiveness of amsn, mainly, all
menus,
which buttons to put where, which menus to have, which submenus, which
actions, which toolbars, which contextual menus, etc... in order to make
amsn easy to use because now, I see that we have in a chat window :
"View
history" and "View webcam sessions" in the "Actions" menus, and I ALWAYS
(even though I use those feats a lot), I always search for them in the
"View" menu... before realizing I'm looking in the wrong place... you
gave
some really great ideas and that's exactly what I'm talking about,
that's
what I want.. but I don't want ideas like "move this here, and put that
there", I want a design, on paper (or pdf or written, or whatever), a
full
design of the full application, a rewrite, not a refactoring of what we
have...
because now you're thinking that the notes should go in properties..
yeah
maybe, but maybe it's place would be FAR better somewhere else...
depending on what the new design is made of...
but mainly, why I told you in the begining to "calm down" is because
it's
misplaced in my opinion, we're talking about one thing, and you're
giving
a whole lot of ideas (which should be at least noted down somewhere in
the
wiki.. GrdScarabe, u on it ?) and they probably won't be done now... I
think moving 'properties' to the end of the popup would be a good idea,
but in that case, we'll need to put it AFTER we call the plugin's event
that makes nudge add its actions to the menus... am I understood ?
anyways, Phil said that it's easier to view email addresses by right
clicking, I knew you'd talk about the tooltip, but I'm still going with
Phil, I do it all the time, and I just hate the tooltip... I'm always
lost
between the nick, the psm, and the email, I need to search for them,
+ need to wait for it to popup.. while the right click is sure, secure,e
tc... I would 100%, definitely say it needs to stay there, it was there
since ccmsn... noone ever complained (and we do get a whole lot of
complains for any little stupid thing...)
KaKaRoTo
> Karel.
>
>> > This is not meant as a "you should do this" to anyone .. just those
>>
>> who
>>
>> > want or a checklist for what I'll do when I feel like. Or to see
what
>> > you think.
>>
>> np...
>>
>> > Karel.
>> >
>> > Op ma, 01-05-2006 te 00:18 +0300, schreef Vivia Nikolaidou:
>> >> No, better to be able to select. Users might not guess they can
>> >> right-click that. Unless we add a button or something?
>> >>
>> >> Besides, I'm a bit tired of trying to make this in an acceptable
>>
>> way...
>>
>> >> if
>> >> this is acceptable, we keep it :P
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote:
>> >> > Good, great idea to do it this way...
>> >> > here's my suggestion though... make the selection not appear
(it's
>> >>
>> >> ugly to see
>> >>
>> >> > the selection), and you could leave it as a label instead of
text
>> >>
>> >> widget...
>> >>
>> >> > only the menu would automatically copy the whole psm, or the
whole
>> >>
>> >> nick or the
>> >>
>> >> > whole mail...
>> >> >
>> >> > KKRT
>> >> >
>> >> > ------- Forwarded message -------
>> >> > From: "Vivia Nikolaidou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > Subject: [Amsn-commits] msn abook.tcl,1.156,1.157
>> >> > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 12:16:38 -0400
>> >> >
>> >> > Update of /cvsroot/amsn/msn
>> >> > In directory sc8-pr-cvs1.sourceforge.net:/tmp/cvs-serv1225
>> >> >
>> >> > Modified Files:
>> >> > abook.tcl
>> >> > Log Message:
>> >> > Copy menu for nick/email/psm in properties
>> >> >
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