On Thu, 4 May 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote:

> On Wed, 03 May 2006 15:45:48 -0400, Vivia Nikolaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 3 May 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote:
> >
> > >On Wed, 03 May 2006 14:07:22 -0400, Lee Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >I took a look at the wiki and realized that some areas are quite
> > > >outdated.  For example: the Next Release TODO, in our case (0.96).
> > > >
> > > >http://amsn.sourceforge.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=NextReleaseTODO
> > > >
> > >
> > >Hi Lee, thanks for taking the time to look at this. If I remember
> > >correctly, Vivia already took good care of the TODO, it is up to date in
> > >the wiki afaik, anything in there are real bugs/feats that we 'might
> > >want' to implement some day, some of them won't be implemented because
> > >they are low pri or we have no clue on how to fix them... The wiki page
> > >is named Next Release TODO, which is wrong, it should instead be an
> > >Overal TODO list...
> >
> >I took care of it to just remove DONE things. That is a huge TODO list
> >though, and I'm not sure we want all this stuff to be done. I just can't
> >start removing stuff without asking anyone. How about each one of us
> >adding an asterisk on items that they'd like to be removed? (No cheating,
> >no adding 5 asterisks :P just discuss the reason why you'd LOVE to see
> >that item gone in the ML!)
> >
> hello,
> yes, it's a huge TODO list, but it's a TODO (as in 'things to do') not a 
> MUDO(as in 'must do' :D) I don't think we should remove anything.. any 
> new idea, or bug to be fixed should be in that TODO, they should be 
> removed only if :
> 1 - they are fixed
> 2 - they became invalid (example, 'add option to configure linphone 
>     port..')  if not one of these 2 reasons, we should keep them, maybe 
>     in 100 years, we'll have no work (or our grandchildren) or we'll 
>     have 100 devels working full time, and we'll "need to add new 
>     feats!", oh, there's the TODO, it had tons of new feature 
>     suggestions, great ideas, stuff that we never had the time to do, 
>     and then, our grandchildren will say "damn, vivia removed them" and 
>     they'll all turn to vivia's grandchildren and beat them up :D

lol, ok ok :D so no wiki asterisks then :)

> >It's also a good idea to move GUI tweaks to winskin!
> 
> GUI tweaks as in ? give me an example... also, winskin plugin.. maybe it 
> should be renamed...

hide/show button bar in chatwindows. recnt example :)

> > >It is indeed problematic since none of us ever had the 
> > >time/motivation to build a 0.96 TODO... we have a lot of TODO items, 
> > >but we needed to select which ones are high pri enough for next 
> > >release..  now the TODO is almost closed, because of the proxy bugs, 
> > >we need 0.96 out of the doors asap, if it weren't for small bugs that 
> > >still keep popping up, vivia was supposed to release 0.96 last week 
> > >(I annouced that last time...)
> >
> >Me? Release 0.96? No offence, but m9awda allik :P [*] Not only I am no
> >amsn admin, I am also the newest team member!!
> 
> yo, you're the one m9awda allik, I think there is a small 
> misunderstanding here, I never said YOU would release it, calm down 
> girl, you have no power in the chain of command here :P what I meant was 
> that you were supposed to determine when the release is 'ready' and 
> launch the release processes (we need to create packages, upload them, 
> wait 1 week for the sync, etc...), and don't forget... there WILL be an 
> RC1 this time...

Well, excuse me, but you said "Vivia was supposed to release 0.96" - huh? 
what? Anyway, it's still NOT ready, reflector+pause still doesn't work... 
I could just try to blindly assume it works the same as non-reflector and 
test if MSN accepts it, but I didn't understand what you wanted to change
:P

Besides, I think there were still some bugs, I just don't remember them - 
I don't feel like coding lately as you might have noticed so I lost track 
on the TODO. Is the pause issue the last one?

> >I was supposed to add tls 1.5 available for download, which needs 
> >testing first, and I really should have done that. But... to release 
> >0.96... not really :P Besides, we can't release until we are 100% sure 
> >that these new webcam features work OK (don't forget we still can't 
> >pause when using reflector, and I dunno how to do these modifications 
> >you talked about!)
> >
> 
> which is why we'll have an RC1... and about tls1.5.. what's the prob ? 
> you need to add the binary packages for the different platforms (unix, 
> windows, x64, mac) and change the autodownloadfer for tls... what is the 
> rpbolem ?(don't forget to change the package ifneeded from 1.5 to 1.50 
> in case users have tcl/tk 8.5)...

Yes. I just need to DO all that and I'm boooooooooored :(

> >[*] really, REALLY j/k, i don't mean it :)
> 
> I know, don't worry, it might be vulgar, but in this case it means 
> nothing more than 'you're crazy', so no need to 'REALY j/k" ;)

Yes, if it was PM I wouldn't worry, but I don't know who will read this, 
and if they will really know arabic or half-know and start asking and come 
up with misunderstandings like with baka yarou :P

> > >about the IRC todo, yes, it is updated everyday (at 7:30 PM eastern 
> > >time), I don't want it to be known by users because they might find 
> > >out how it works abnd start 'requesting features' through IRC buy 
> > >using the special tags for the script.. which we already had a few 
> > >times, some users find noone on the channel and they reported the bug 
> > >or feature using [TODO]..
> >
> >lol, hadn't noticed :)
> >
> yes you did, I saw you chatting with the user when he was [TODO]ing the 
> bot :@

Just ONE user ONCE, I gave him my permission to do it because I was too 
lazy to form a sentence that would describe the problem and I also warned 
to not do it generally. It wasn't "find noone on the channel".

that's all for now i guess.. :)

Viv


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