On 5/19/06, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe we could follow this for consistency in English ? For Dutch I'm
kind of sure we should only capitalise the first letter ofthe first
word;
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/design-text-labels.html#layout-capitalization
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGText/chapter_13_section_3.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000365-BABDIBBH
They're very close. I'm always thinking of first following the gnome
hig and then follow tha mac UG if it's not opposite and if it is mak it
different for mac...
Karel.
Basically, you can just follow the mac UG while keeping the following
rules in mind:
Capitalize all words in the element, with the following exceptions:
Articles: a, an, the.
Conjunctions: and, but, for, not, so, yet ...
Prepositions of three or fewer letters: at, for, by, in, to ...
excellent examples of this being used are shown in the section:
Capitalization of Interface Element Labels and Text
(example: notice how "Go To..." becomes "Go to Page" when "Page" is
added, "Save As..." becomes "Save as Draft" when "Draft" is added.
This shows how to and as become less important when another main item
is added to the action.)
~Lee
Op vr, 19-05-2006 te 09:19 +0100, schreef [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> "contacts" isn't a proper noun, so in English it shouldn't have a
> capital letter (unless it's at the start of a sentence) - I don't see
> that it matters too much, but I hope the English translator will use
> proper English! Btw, in the version of Kopete I'm using, all words
> have a capital letter in the menus - eg "Show Offline Users". I
> checked and some other apps do that too - firefox for example. Maybe
> that';s the way we should go...
>
>
> Tom
>
> On 5/19/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I guess you're right, as I said, I am not in a position to take the
> > decision, but I would have done it with capital letters too.
> > Btw, welcome back Lee :D
> >
> > KKRT
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 18 May 2006 18:32:40 -0400, Lee Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On 5/18/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> You may be right or not, I may have also used capital letters, but I
> > >> don't
> > >> really care about it, I think it's up to the translator to choose it (in
> > >> this case, enligsh.. humm.. let Karel decide ? I don't know..)
> > >> Anyways, just to be sure, I agree that we shouldn't have [trans key
> > >> [trans
> > >> param]], and each one should be a separate key, what you put in it is up
> > >> to you ;)
> > >>
> > >> KKRT
> > >
> > > That sounds good, let's just make sure it stays consistent. I think
> > > following the way other applications do it is the way to go.
> > >
> > > ~Lee
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, 18 May 2006 18:22:48 -0400, Lee Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On 5/18/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >> ohhh now I understand! Yes, it was difficult to understand as I
> > >> didn't
> > >> >> know what the keys were used for, I thought your problem was because
> > >> of
> > >> >> the ordering of the words, and now I understand the case thing you
> > >> >> said...
> > >> >> you are 100% right and I agree with you on that one, a [trans $key
> > >> >> $params] should not have the $params being itself a [trans] (unless
> > >> >> special cases). I do agree on having a separate key for each one and
> > >> >> yes,
> > >> >> it is indeed very confusing for the translators.
> > >> >> Go for it Harry!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> KKRT
> > >> >
> > >> > I also agree that using a seperate key for each one is the way to go,
> > >> > but I don't quite agree that:
> > >> >
> > >> > Sort Contacts by Status
> > >> > should be:
> > >> > Sort contacts by status
> > >> >
> > >> > Maybe I am overlooking something here, but many applications use this
> > >> > form of capitalization (ie. msn with "Search for a Contact", konqueror
> > >> > with "Bookmark Tabs as Folder..." etc.)
> > >> >
> > >> > ~Lee
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Thu, 18 May 2006 17:03:50 -0400, Harry Vennik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Is it really that difficult?
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I saw in my menu now:
> > >> >> > Sort Contacts by Status
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > that should be:
> > >> >> > Sort contacts by status
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The keys for 'groups' and for 'contacts' are also used elsewhere,
> > >> >> where
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > capital is wanted, here it is not for most languages. That is one
> > >> >> thing
> > >> >> > that
> > >> >> > makes it complicated. Hmmm, and now I think of it again, it may
> > >> also
> > >> >> > cause
> > >> >> > problems with case (in the grammatical sense of the word), the word
> > >> >> > 'contacts' for example may have a different translation here than
> > >> when
> > >> >> > it is
> > >> >> > 'just on its own' as a menu name.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > So: just don't do it, and make a separate key for every text in
> > >> the UI
> > >> >> > (and
> > >> >> > use a key multiple times only if exactly the same thing is meant).
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > The $1, $2...etc are useful for inserting some number, filename, or
> > >> >> > whatever
> > >> >> > untranslated data, but not to make general keys.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I make it into this (was about to commit it already before writing
> > >> >> this
> > >> >> > e-mail):
> > >> >> > showcontactemail Show contacts with e-mail
> > >> >> > showcontactnick Show contacts with nickname
> > >> >> > sortgroupsasc Sort groups ascending
> > >> >> > sortgroupsdesc Sort groups descending
> > >> >> > sortcontactgroup Sort contacts by group
> > >> >> > sortcontacthybrid Sort contacts in hybrid mode
> > >> >> > sortcontactstatus Sort contacts by status
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Harry
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Op donderdag 18 mei 2006 22:38, schreef Youness Alaoui:
> > >> >> >> I have no idea what you're talking about Harry...
> > >> >> >> Show $1 with $2
> > >> >> >> can be translated into
> > >> >> >> $1 $2 abcdefgh
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> assuming abcdefgh means "show with" in some language.. so the
> > >> order
> > >> >> is
> > >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> way translators want them.. what r u talking about when you say
> > >> it's
> > >> >> >> unclear to translators, all translators KNOW that, they've read
> > >> the
> > >> >> docs
> > >> >> >> before submitting a translation...
> > >> >> >> and if you're able to explain to me what you really mean and
> > >> you're
> > >> >> >> right,
> > >> >> >> then.. what do you propose ?
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> KKRT
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> On Thu, 18 May 2006 15:07:47 -0400, Harry Vennik
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> wrote:
> > >> >> >> > Op donderdag 18 mei 2006 20:55, schreef Boris Faure (aka
> > >> billiob):
> > >> >> >> >> 2006/5/18, Harry Vennik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >> >> >> >> > + showwith Show $1 with $2
> > >> >> >> >> > + sortby Sort $1 by $2
> > >> >> >> >> > + sortin Sort $1 in $2
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > Not that way please!!!
> > >> >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >> > The order of the words may differ among languages, so this
> > >> may
> > >> >> get
> > >> >> >> >> > translators in trouble. Please keep it clear and have a
> > >> separate
> > >> >> >> key
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> for
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> > each menu item.
> > >> >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> >> This way, the order of words can change among languages. $1
> > >> and $2
> > >> >> >> are
> > >> >> >> >> here for that.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Yes, there is some variation possible, and it might not be too
> > >> bad
> > >> >> in
> > >> >> >> > this
> > >> >> >> > case because no full sentences are substituted here, but this
> > >> way
> > >> >> of
> > >> >> >> > using
> > >> >> >> > translation keys should generally be avoided IMO, because:
> > >> >> >> > - with bigger substitutions the word order will be a problem,
> > >> >> >> > - case problems (the substituted part beginning with an
> > >> unneccesary
> > >> >> >> > capital)
> > >> >> >> > [string tolower [trans xxx]] won't fix that, because in German,
> > >> for
> > >> >> >> > example,
> > >> >> >> > the capital may be wanted (all nouns should start with a
> > >> capital in
> > >> >> >> > German).
> > >> >> >> > - it is very unclear for translators.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> >
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