+1 for www.amsn-project.net On Jan 27, 2008 12:20 PM, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > oh.. forgot about the website thing.. I think www.amsn-project.net is good, > who cares about no-www.org.. at least, we make sure that people know > it's a url, and n00bs don't know wtf is "http://"; they never see it, but they > only see www. also, most people see www.x.com and will type in > "x.com" in their browser.. > Anyways, it's just 3 letters, it's not very cumbersome to put them there, + > it adds insurance thatpeople will understand it's a URL.. and I like > the symetry of "www." and ".com" and makes the url look nicer... > That's my 2 cents :) > > KaKaRoTo > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2008 at 06:09:54AM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote: > > Hey!! > > First mail from melbourne, kangoroos are saying hi to everyone :p > > Lee, I'm always impressed with your work, The designs you did are just > > incredible, I like them a lot!!! > > I liked the 2 sided ones, but I guess 1 sided is more economic.. I don't > > want to disclose how much money we have right now, but I think we can > > still consider 2 sided... we'll see later on. > > In any case, very good job! The top rows had some shadowy thing which was > > nice, but would maybe not be good on a t-shirt, so the second batch > > without the 'glare' were better.. I don't know about the greysahdes though. > > I know I told you that I thought you could use grayshades, but it > > seems we can't.. so we'll have to sort this one out too.. > > overall, very good job and thanks for doing this! > > > > KKRT > > > > On Sun, Jan 27, 2008 at 11:14:04AM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote: > > > I like the designs very much. 2 points: > > > * for the url, I like www.amsn-project the most but somehow the "www" > > > prefix is deprecated (http://no-www.org/). Without the prefix you > > > could argue that it isn't clear enough that it's a URL though. Adding > > > http:// might make it too geeky again. I've seen a lot of "domain.be" > > > kind of things already in advertisement so in fact I think most pp > > > will reconise it as a URL .. but that's to be discussed > > > * for the design itself: can it be you're using greyshades now ? > > > Ifso, you shouldn't :). If we choose to only use one color (white) > > > you can have transparant regions where the blue will shine through but > > > you can't use grey ... :) > > > To make the order, I need a black on white pdf where all the black (or > > > greyshades) will become shades of white and the white will be > > > transparant. a pdf or a scalable adobe format is ok. > > > > > > Karel. > > > > > > 2008/1/27, Tom Hennigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > Nice! I like the design! I would vote "http://www.amsn-project.net/"; or > > > > "www.amsn-project.net", but don't really mind either way lol. > > > > > > > > - Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 26 Jan 2008, at 23:48, Lee Olson wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I've put together another example for the t-shirt if we go with the > > > > 1-side > > > > design idea (added the website to the front design). Would we want > > > > http://amsn-project.net, www.amsn-project.net, or > > > > http://www.amsn-project.net as the text shown? (personally i think > > > > www.amsn-project.net looks cleaner) > > > > http://www.amsn-project.net/~lee/mockups/amsn-tshirt2.png > > > > > > > > Lee > > > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2008 4:59 AM, Tom Hennigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Heya, > > > > > > > > > > I like the design a lot =] As far as 1 side vs 2, 2 is better for me, > > > > > but 1 seems much more economical, and the idea is to promote aMSN so > > > > > we'll want as many shirts as possible. > > > > > > > > > > If the shirt is only one sided, it may be worth putting > > > > http://amsn-project.net > > > > > somewhere on the front of the shirt... > > > > > > > > > > - Tom > > > > > > > > > > ps. I'm not sure how good the printer is, but the shadow (from the top > > > > > row of 3) under the text may not be clear when it's printed.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 26 Jan 2008, at 08:33, Karel Demeyer wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Ik like 'm very much. But, the prices I put on the wiki are for > > > > > > 1sided prints only now. For 2 sides you can do the math, adding an > > > > > > extra cliché cost (25 euro/total) and printing cost (0,40 euro/pc), > > > > > > and adding taxes again. I don't know it the back is really needed > > > > > > as > > > > > > when you wear a bag on your back or some clothes overneith it, the > > > > > > back is always covered .. on the other hand I already made a T-shirt > > > > > > with publicity for an event and we only had a print on the back for > > > > > > it because when ppl want to read it an it's on your back it doesn't > > > > > > make 'm look like theu're staring at you and have them feel at ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > So .. what do you think ? front only (my suggestion), back and > > > > > > front, > > > > > > back only ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Karel. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: if we decide upon this one, I'll need the desin in a > > > > > > black-on-white scalable PDF (or adobe scalable grafics file format) > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008/1/26, Lee Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >> Hi Everyone, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Please take a look at the t-shirt design idea that I came up with > > > > > >> and let me > > > > > >> know which version you like best. Feel free to leave other > > > > > >> suggestions if > > > > > >> you have any. > > > > > >> > > > > http://www.amsn-project.net/~lee/mockups/amsn-tshirt.png > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thanks! > > > > > >> Lee > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Jan 25, 2008 12:57 AM, Youness Alaoui > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>> Hey, > > > > > >>> Great to see you! > > > > > >>> Here's the current status : > > > > > >> http://www.amsn-project.net/wiki/FOSDEM_2008 > > > > > >>> There's a shirt design there, and a link to a design made by a > > > > > >>> forumer.. > > > > > >> if you could read the details and take a look to see if you can > > > > > >> come up > > > > > >>> with something!! we need a graphics artist's skills on this one :) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> take care! > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> KaKaRoTo > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 12:55:00AM -0600, Lee Olson wrote: > > > > > >>>> Hi Everyone, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Sorry to respond so late on this, but if you still need some > > > > > >>>> touch-ups > > > > > >> done > > > > > >>>> on the T-shirt design, please let me know. I'll also be in the > > > > > >>>> amsn > > > > > >> channel > > > > > >>>> as leeo if you would like to discuss it more. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Thanks! > > > > > >>>> Lee > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Jan 21, 2008 1:36 AM, Karel Demeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> Hi, I'll answer both your mails at once; > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> about the colors: we can have as many colors as we want but it > > > > > >>>>> weill > > > > > >> cost > > > > > >>>>> per color a "clich" and a print .. and then still, you'll have > > > > > >>>>> only 2 > > > > > >>>>> colors, not all the combinations of this colors (this is not the > > > > > >>>>> same > > > > > >> like > > > > > >>>>> when you print posters, where you pay for each color but if you > > > > > >>>>> choose > > > > > >> 3 > > > > > >>>>> good colors you can make about anything). Which means when we > > > > > >>>>> would > > > > > >> have 2 > > > > > >>>>> colors it would still suck. Therefor I think it's better to > > > > > >>>>> make it > > > > > >> only > > > > > >>>>> one color .. you can have lighter shades of this color but this > > > > > >>>>> won't > > > > > >> make > > > > > >>>>> the background really shine through (don't know if I'm > > > > > >> understandable). > > > > > >>>>> Ok, if we give out the T-shirts to a lot of ppl, we About the > > > > > >> senshould'n > > > > > >>>>> have the "crew" thing on it. Let's just drop it. I hope Lee or > > > > > >>>>> Gus > > > > > >> or Tom > > > > > >>>>> or whoever can help us out as I'm not all that good with this > > > > > >>>>> kind of > > > > > >>>>> graphics (though I know some things about "spatial" design, > > > > > >>>>> maybe you > > > > > >> could > > > > > >>>>> see this ;)). > > > > > >>>>> For the prices .. I'll calculate 'm for 100 pcs and update the > > > > > >>>>> wiki. > > > > > >>>>> normally from 100 pcs and up we'll have a discount. I got the > > > > > >>>>> prices > > > > > >> from > > > > > >>>>> their website (which is ugly and Dutch-only: > > > > > >>>>> http://www.proshirt.be/Prijslijst.htm). I already > > > > > >> had 3 shirts made there > > > > > >>>>> in the last year and those ppl have always be great and it's the > > > > > >> cheapest > > > > > >>>>> solution in my surroundings (I did a research for this a year > > > > > >>>>> ago and > > > > > >>>>> checked out several firms, things could have changed by now but > > > > > >>>>> I > > > > > >> don't > > > > > >>>>> think it will be much). > > > > > >>>>> For the T-shirt design, the available colors (for the shirt) > > > > > >>>>> are: > > > > > >> white, > > > > > >>>>> ash, black, navy, natural, sand, chocolat, gold, orange, red, > > > > > >>>>> 3xblue, > > > > > >> denim, > > > > > >>>>> brick, burgundy, 2xgreen, grey, abricot, mistygreen > > > > > >>>>> If you don't know what these are, the most of 'm are on > > > > > >>>>> wikipedia, > > > > > >> though > > > > > >>>>> I don't know what 3xblue and 2xgreen are ... > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> So I'll update the wiki, stay stuned! > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Karel. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> PS: the design should be sort of finished in a week for the best > > > > > >>>>> as, > > > > > >> if > > > > > >>>>> they wouldn't have our choice of shirt in stock anymore enough > > > > > >>>>> it > > > > > >> would take > > > > > >>>>> some weeks. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> 2008/1/21, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> By the way, just saw the prices, and it's really good.. but the > > > > > >>>>>> calculations should be done on a different amount.. 50 or maybe > > > > > >> 100.. 25 is > > > > > >>>>>> for sure > > > > > >>>>>> too low, 50 is probably good, 100 is overkill but will allow us > > > > > >>>>>> to > > > > > >> give > > > > > >>>>>> some at fosdem and bring a few to our girlfriends :p > > > > > >>>>>> + The list of contributers in the wiki probably needs more > > > > > >>>>>> names.. > > > > > >> if we > > > > > >>>>>> add all the translators, we could easily blow up the 50 people > > > > > >> point... > > > > > >>>>>> In any case, for 100 shirts, it would make it 4.48 euros per > > > > > >>>>>> shirt, > > > > > >>>>>> which is also a very good price (unless they do an even better > > > > > >>>>>> price > > > > > >> for 100 > > > > > >>>>>> shirts.. if not, we'll take 101 and get a discount :p > > > > > >>>>>> Karel, can you give us those numbers? Also maybe adding a link > > > > > >>>>>> to > > > > > >> where > > > > > >>>>>> you got that info, the website or whatever (unless you went > > > > > >>>>>> there > > > > > >> and asked > > > > > >>>>>> face to face). > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> About the shirt design, now I see it with the blue.. and it's > > > > > >>>>>> not > > > > > >> that > > > > > >>>>>> great... Maybe if it was on a real shirt design, to see how/ > > > > > >>>>>> where it > > > > > >> would > > > > > >>>>>> be > > > > > >>>>>> placed, it would look better.. anyways, a bit of work is needed > > > > > >> there > > > > > >>>>>> and we should get someone to do it. I'll try to reach Lee or > > > > > >>>>>> TomJ. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> KaKaRoTo > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 04:41:23PM -0500, Youness Alaoui wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>> Yeah, sure, I gave my comments to vivia and I think she game > > > > > >>>>>>> them > > > > > >> to > > > > > >>>>>> you.. > > > > > >>>>>>> mainly, the 'development CREW'.. the 'CREW' is too big... and > > > > > >>>>>>> we > > > > > >> want > > > > > >>>>>> to avoid specific stuff like that since it would be best to > > > > > >>>>>> have one > > > > > >> t shirt > > > > > >>>>>> and > > > > > >>>>>>> give it to all (contributers, forumers, etc..), and we also > > > > > >>>>>>> would > > > > > >> like > > > > > >>>>>> to give some of the shirts at FOSDEM to 'promote' amsn. > > > > > >>>>>>> The logo is ok with me, but I undrstood that we can only have > > > > > >>>>>>> it > > > > > >> in > > > > > >>>>>> one color ? would have been nice to have the blue/green real > > > > > >>>>>> logo as > > > > > >> we > > > > > >>>>>>> currently have it on aMSN. > > > > > >>>>>>> Oh, and the sentence in the bottom, no locking in, no locking > > > > > >> out... > > > > > >>>>>> hum.. it takes hours of thinking to understand the meaning.. we > > > > > >> should > > > > > >>>>>> probably > > > > > >>>>>>> find another tag line :) > > > > > >>>>>>> That's it. > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> KaKaRoTo > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 20, 2008 at 10:40:21AM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>> On a slightly other note: could you please check the wiki > > > > > >>>>>>>> page > > > > > >> for > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tshirt-design ? I got some comments from Vivia about the > > > > > >>>>>>>> slogan > > > > > >> and > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>> logo. About the logo: I'm not an svg artist. If the logo > > > > > >>>>>>>> isn't > > > > > >>>>>> allright I > > > > > >>>>>>>> hope Gus can fix it :). For the slogan: give some ideas as > > > > > >> quickly > > > > > >>>>>> as you > > > > > >>>>>>>> can. > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Karel. > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> 2008/1/20, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks all for answering so fast!!! > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Anyways, just an update, Phil and I decided that we should > > > > > >> fund > > > > > >>>>>> the > > > > > >>>>>>>>> accomodation for everyone. So we'll choose a nice hotel near > > > > > >> the > > > > > >>>>>> conference > > > > > >>>>>>>>> WITH > > > > > >>>>>>>>> WIFI! :) > > > > > >>>>>>>>> You guys will only have to worry about the transportation > > > > > >>>>>>>>> and > > > > > >> not > > > > > >>>>>> about > > > > > >>>>>>>>> the additional cost of the hotel. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> We can still fund some of you who don't have the money and > > > > > >> want to > > > > > >>>>>> come. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> note: Funding is for developers ONLY. > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> And by the way, registration to the FOSDEM conference is > > > > > >>>>>>>>> free, > > > > > >> so > > > > > >>>>>> you > > > > > >>>>>>>>> don't need to add that as an extra cost.. just the price of > > > > > >> the > > > > > >>>>>> train/plane > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to > > > > > >>>>>>>>> get there + your food + gifts if any, etc.. the conference > > > > > >>>>>>>>> is > > > > > >>>>>> free, the > > > > > >>>>>>>>> hotel is free (paid by us) and we can pay some or all of the > > > > > >>>>>> travel expense > > > > > >>>>>>>>> (depending if you live in france or australia :p). > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> KaKaRoTo > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 17, 2008 at 07:27:46PM -0500, Youness Alaoui > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> We've just had a very exciting discution over IRC about the > > > > > >>>>>> upcoming > > > > > >>>>>>>>> FOSDEM conference in brussel. We are at least 6 aMSN > > > > > >> developers > > > > > >>>>>> who will be > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> attending this conference (not initially intending to do > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> so, > > > > > >> but > > > > > >>>>>> in > > > > > >>>>>>>>> order to meet up with other amsn devs, yes..), so this > > > > > >>>>>>>>> year's > > > > > >>>>>> FOSDEM > > > > > >>>>>>>>> conference > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> will be an official/unofficial meeting place for aMSN > > > > > >>>>>> developers! :) > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The conference will be at brussels on the 23th and 24th of > > > > > >>>>>> february > > > > > >>>>>>>>> (saturday and sunday), everyone is invited to come, and it > > > > > >> would > > > > > >>>>>> be great to > > > > > >>>>>>>>> be > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> able to meet all of you guys! > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The aMSN Project can fund some of you if you don't have any > > > > > >>>>>> money to go > > > > > >>>>>>>>> there. Funding could be for the train/plane/hotel. You are > > > > > >>>>>> encouraged to > > > > > >>>>>>>>> fund > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> yourself if you can, but if you can't, don't hesitate to > > > > > >> ask. > > > > > >>>>>> Funding > > > > > >>>>>>>>> will be limited and only available to developers. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> I've set up a wiki page that you can fill > > > > > >>>>>>>>> http://www.amsn-project.net/wiki/FOSDEM_2008 > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> If your name does not appear in there, we'll consider > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you're > > > > > >> not > > > > > >>>>>> going. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> It might also be useful to have everyone's cell phone > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> number > > > > > >>>>>> (for those > > > > > >>>>>>>>> attending), but for privacy reasons, do not put them on the > > > > > >> wiki, > > > > > >>>>>> so send me > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your phone numbers by mail, I'll build a phonebook and send > > > > > >> a > > > > > >>>>>> copy to > > > > > >>>>>>>>> those that will be joining us, so we can more efficiently > > > > > >>>>>>>>> meet > > > > > >> up > > > > > >>>>>> and not > > > > > >>>>>>>>> get > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> lost. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Many details are still missing but hopefully we'll figure > > > > > >> out > > > > > >>>>>> everything > > > > > >>>>>>>>> soon enough. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> For now, no 'limit date' to 'apply' is set, but sometimes > > > > > >> soon > > > > > >>>>>> we'll > > > > > >>>>>>>>> have to close the deal and say that anyone not having his > > > > > >>>>>>>>> list > > > > > >> in > > > > > >>>>>> the wiki > > > > > >>>>>>>>> will > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> not be considered as joining us (you can still come, but > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> you > > > > > >>>>>> might not > > > > > >>>>>>>>> get a t-shirt, or you might have to find hotel/accomodations > > > > > >> by > > > > > >>>>>> yourself, > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> etc...). > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Someone promoting himself as secretary/organizer/whatever > > > > > >> would > > > > > >>>>>> be > > > > > >>>>>>>>> welcomed, I'm not a good organizer, so don't count on me for > > > > > >>>>>> reserving > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> flights/hotels so if someone can do it, that would be cool > > > > > >> to > > > > > >>>>>> have it > > > > > >>>>>>>>> well organized. > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> The conference is in 5 weeks, so start looking right now at > > > > > >> your > > > > > >>>>>> travel > > > > > >>>>>>>>> possibilities! > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> See you soon! :) > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> KaKaRoTo > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Defy all challenges. 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