Matt, Respectfully, I think you're comparing apples to oranges in the way you're trying to use INTSEARCHENGINE.The scenario you describe in your first paragraph is totally beyond the scope of INTSEARCHENGINE, which is analyzing a named parameter within URLs within your site--and doing so accurately. SEARCHENGINE, on the other hand, reports aggregates of referrals from any search engines designated in your configuration, and is intended to provide info on how people are getting to your site using external search engines. You can add your site's internal search tools to that list of search engines, but these searches are completely different in nature from external searches and are just going to confuse the picture.
If you're looking for how people find your site through various search engines, use SEARCHENGINE and exclude your site as a referrer. If you're looking for how people search for content once they find your site, use INTSEARCHENGINE. They are completely different questions and there is nothing to be gained comparing these reports. ============================================ James Riemermann MN Office of Tourism 651/297-2077 [EMAIL PROTECTED] For travel info: www.exploreminnesota.com ============================================ >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/02 03:24AM >>> Hi Stephen, Essentially, yes! To Clarify, If I were searching for 'widgets' on a search engine say 'google', and my search found 40 hits. Let's say that it yielded 2 for my site. The person clicks the google link and is taken to my site whereupon the SEARCHENGINE param would get a hit. If that user subsequently hit back and then clicked on the second hit, I get another. If they then click back and come back to the first hit, I get a third hit for the same searchword 'widget'. If you look at the same scenario for the INTSEARCHENGINE results, I'd only get 1 hit regardless of how many times the user hit back and moved on to the next search result. Unless that user re entered their search criteria and clicked search again. My observation indicates that this actually isn't a minor discrepancy between the two results, it turns out to be that the INTSEARCHENGINE actually gets about 3-5% of the hits for our major keywords compared to the referring site searches. So, Yes, the INTSEARCHENGINE is a quality result whereas the SEARCHENGINE is quantity and can be used as a basic scale to organize keywords. What would be very nice, would be to get analog (optional) to ignore same IP/referrer hits so as to score just a single hit for a search query/word to reduce this back and forth ramping. As a further example, I have a keyword here for "modem" which scores very highly. I have estimated that the analog result for a month is about 14 times higher than reality since users constantly appear to click back, visit somewhere else, click back revisit us, click back, visit somewhere else on our site, click back and so on...... Like I say, it's an interesting anomaly and debateable as to if it's right or wrong, just interesting. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Turner [mailto:analog-author@;lists.isite.net] Sent: 22 October 2002 20:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [analog-help](INT)SEARCHENGINE Inconsistency On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Henk Schrik wrote: > > SEARCHENGINE report (surfers looked for specific subjects and found more or > less by accident a specific website -quantity-?) > INTSEARCHENGINE (surfers that visited a website, willingly or by accident) > look for specific subjects within the site -quality-?). > I'm not sure about calling it quantity vs quality, but otherwise I completely agree. -- Stephen Turner, Cambridge, UK http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adelie/stephen/ "Reserve your 2 hour delivery time, which means you'll see the same special offers as you would instore" - Sainsbury's internet shopping instructions +------------------------------------------------------------------------ | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to | http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at | http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@;lists.isite.net/ | http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ | http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +------------------------------------------------------------------------ | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to | http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at | http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@;lists.isite.net/ | http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ | http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +------------------------------------------------------------------------ | This is the analog-help mailing list. To unsubscribe from this | mailing list, go to | http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/unsubscribe.html | | List archives are available at | http://www.mail-archive.com/analog-help@;lists.isite.net/ | http://lists.isite.net/listgate/analog-help/archives/ | http://www.tallylist.com/archives/index.cfm/mlist.7 +------------------------------------------------------------------------
