> On Aug 18, 2015, at 6:32 PM, Kevin Leduc <ke...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > We briefly considered counting views of Hover Cards as Pageviews, but it was > quickly dismissed. First, the feature is not widely used enough to justify > Changing the pageview definition.
I second that, these are “impressions” and they should be measured separately. I would be very worried about inflating our baseline PV numbers with all sort of features revealing snippets of content. > I’m still open to counting previews as pageviews, but I think the Readership > team and their product managers need to weigh in heavily as Pageviews is a > key metric for them. > > Finally, counting Pageviews served through RESTBase sounds like a new project > and I'd like to hear more about the effort needed from the analytics > engineers. > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Oliver Keyes <oke...@wikimedia.org > <mailto:oke...@wikimedia.org>> wrote: > On 18 August 2015 at 19:11, Bernd Sitzmann <be...@wikimedia.org > <mailto:be...@wikimedia.org>> wrote: > > This discussion is about needed updates of the definition and Analytics > > implementation for mobile apps page view metrics. There is also an > > associated Phab task[4]. Please add the proper Analytics project there. > > > > Background / Changes > > > > As you probably remember, the Android app splits a page view into two > > requests: one for the lead section and metadata, plus another one for the > > remainder. > > > > The mobile apps are going to change the way they load pages in two different > > ways: > > > > We'll add a link preview when someone clicks on a link from a page. > > We're planning on switching over the using RESTBase for loading pages and > > also the link preview (initially just the Android beta, ater more) > > > > Woah woah woah woah woah. By RESTBase do you mean Gabriel's RESTful service > API? > > Last time I checked that wasn't even consumed by HDFS. Is it now being > consumed by HDFS? > > More importantly the actual URLs are going to look /totally/ > different. If we do not include RESTBase requests, we will miss the > apps. If we /do/ include RESTBase requests we will not only have to > rewrite the pageview definition for the apps to recognise the new URL > scheme, we will also potentially have to rewrite every /other/ bit of > the definition to /not/ incorporate those requests. > > (I use "we" in a collective sense. This isn't my baby any more, > although if Joseph et al want help with the refactor here I'm happy to > spend my volunteer time on it). > > But basically every other bit of your email is important but now > secondary: this is a potentially massive change, all on its own, even > without the link preview, even if the substance of the requests going > to RESTBase were identical. > > > This will have implications for the pageviews definition and how we count > > user engagement. > > > > The big question is > > > > Should we count link previews as a page view since it's an indication of > > user engagement? Or should there be a separate metric for link previews? > > > > Counting page views > > > > IIRC we currently count action=mobileview§ions=0 query parameters of > > api.php as a page view. When we publish link previews for all Android app > > users then we would either want to count also the calls to > > action=query&prop=extracts as a page view or add them to another metric. > > > > Once the apps use RESTBase the HTTPS requests will be very different: > > > > Page view: Instead of action=mobileview§ions=0 the app would call the > > RESTBase endpoint for lead request[1] instead of the PHP API mentioned > > above. Then it would call [2]. > > Link preview: Instead of action=query&prop=extracts it would call the lead > > request[1], too, since there is a lot of overlap. At least that our current > > plan. The advantage of that is that the client doesn't need to execute the > > lead request a second time if the user clicks on the link preview (-- either > > through caching or app logic.) > > > > So, in the RESTBase case we either want to count the > > mobile-html-sections-lead requests or the mobile-html-sections-remaining > > requests depending on what our definition for page views actually is. We > > could also add a query parameter or extra HTTP header to one of the > > mobile-html-sections-lead requests if we need to distinguish between > > previews and page views. > > > > Both the current PHP API and the RESTBase based metrics would need to be > > compatible and be collected in parallel since we cannot control when users > > update their apps. > > > > [1] > > https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html-sections-lead/Dilbert > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html-sections-lead/Dilbert> > > [2] > > https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html-sections-remaining/Dilbert > > > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/api/rest_v1/page/mobile-html-sections-remaining/Dilbert> > > [3] > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/RESTBase_services_for_apps > > > > <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Apps/Team/RESTBase_services_for_apps> > > > > [4] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109383 > > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T109383> > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bernd > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Analytics mailing list > > Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics> > > > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics> > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > Analytics@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics
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