Avoiding the carriers entirely for exchanging data will be a big hit. The
only issue is, can this be done?

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:23 PM, nick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Apr 22, 11:55 am, j <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Nice idea.  Maybe it's just me but the music of the video is a bit
> > creepy.  :)
>
> Yes, it's from a very political track by the group A Silver Mt.
> Zion :-)
>
> > What if I am an oppressive government's agent using Fluid Nexus to get
> > access to activist messages?  Is that possible?
>
> You raise a good and very common objection.  The simple response is
> this: all technologies can be re-appropriated by governments or other
> groups for their own purposes.  Witness groups using e-mail and
> websites to spread hate messages and various nefarious calls to
> action.  So this is not something that can necessarily be built into
> the technology in the first place to prevent this type of use.  We can
> always create pre-determined groups that have limited membership, with
> the consequent decrease in efficacy of the network.
>
> (Note that this is not an argument for the neutrality of technology,
> but rather an acceptance that no matter what I, as the technology
> developer does with the technology, it can always be re-appropriated
> and re-purposed by others in ways I cannot predict.  It's to
> acknowledge my lack of agency and control once I release something
> into the world.)
>
> So a more direct response would be this: yes, indeed, governments
> could use this technology in the same way.  In a sense, though, all
> activist use of technology is an implicit cat-and-mouse game.  As
> deficiencies are found within the current structure of the technology,
> developers can change it to better deal with current threats.  And in
> a way what I'm doing here is related to two assumptions that could
> both be true in different parts of the world: 1) it will take time for
> a technology like this to catch on and for the government to find out
> about it; and 2) the government already has this technology and by
> developing it we are simply leveling the playing field.
>
> What I am more worried about is the broadcast of cell phone
> information even if the towers are "turned off".  Because while a
> government might turn off mobile towers for the purpose of making
> calls, they could still use these towers for the purposes of
> triangulating position.  This is a much more difficult issue to
> tackle.  Tracking people and their location based on Bluetooth
> broadcasting is also possible and is an inevitable consequence of the
> technology.  Whether this is a problem in practice remains to be seen,
> and is something that can only be considered with a keen questioning
> of the risks and benefits of use.
>
> nick
>
>
>
> > Good luck.
> >
> > On Apr 21, 6:45 am, zero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > maybe as a sub-group of dataportability ?
> > > *just my two cents*
> >
> > > On Apr 21, 2:30 pm, "Muthu Ramadoss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > Thanks for the details. Checked out your website, looks great.
> >
> > > > Mobile Social Networking is an exciting space to be on currently,
> and am
> > > > sure lot of folks working on it right now.
> >
> > > > May be we can start a group, and start collaborating on the ideas,
> > > > technologies etc., related to the mobile social networking space.
> >
> > > > Any thoughts?
> >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 5:10 PM, whitemice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>Which platform is snowball server running?<<
> > > > > The original plan was to implement it in PHP, but because Android
> > > > > supports a lot of the Apache specification I found that if I used
> a
> > > > > Java host I could reuse a lot of the client code on the server
> (the
> > > > > benefits of peer-to-peer and all that).
> >
> > > > > Currently it is running as a JSP web service on a virtual Apache
> > > > > Tomcat server with a MySQL backend.  Although each Cell-id-node-
> > > > > instance is atomic, so I can scale it up and make it distributed
> if
> > > > > necessary.  The idea being that I can just add computing resources
> to
> > > > > it as needed.
> >
> > > > > >>Do you broadcast more than the location from the server? <<
> > > > > The server turns each Cell tower into a Snowball node.  This means
> it
> > > > > doesn't actually broadcast location information (not yet anyway),
> but
> > > > > instead allows Snowball Ads to be stored as if on the cell tower.
> >
> > > > > Say you write a multiplayer game, which is running on 10 handsets
> in
> > > > > your area.  Snowball will detect and rank these handsets by
> closest
> > > > > first, but will not be able to tell you exactly where they are.
> >
> > > > > Detecting actual location is better handled by the application
> using
> > > > > GPS etc (i.e. with user approval), and is not suitable for all
> > > > > applications, e.g. dating.
> >
> > > > > >>What kind of end user applications are possible using snowball?
> Do you
> > > > > have any specific kind of end user applications that might be the
> killer app
> > > > > for snowball?<<
> > > > > Different people will find different applications useful at
> different
> > > > > times.  I have listed the vague categories and use cases that can
> be
> > > > > easily implemented on top of Snowball here:
> > > > >http://blog.zedray.com/snowball/why-is-this-useful/
> > > > > (Location-based<
> http://blog.zedray.com/snowball/why-is-this-useful/%28Location-based>services,
> Social networking, Gaming, News and
> > > > > information, Logistics)
> >
> > > > > But everyone I talk to about this tends to come up with new stuff
> by
> > > > > themselves.
> >
> > > > > >>Got confused by FluidNexus and Snowball. They have similar
> goals, but
> > > > > they are 2 completely different projects. Guess FluidNexus had the
> emergency
> > > > > use case and Snowball has the ice cream example. Cool, finally got
> clarified
> > > > > myself<<
> > > > > Excellent
> > > > > I can't wait to see this "mobeegal" LBS search engine that you've
> been
> > > > > working on.
> >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Mark
> >
> > > > --
> > > > take care,
> > > > Muthu Ramadoss.
> >
> > > >http://mobeegal.in
> > > > find stuff closer.
> >
>


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take care,
Muthu Ramadoss.

http://mobeegal.in
find stuff closer.

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