Shane, It is not OK to state a "we all agree" before making a point, when at least a portion of the audience does not agree.
I likely missed some of the following content because that is a dirty trick in this culture and it needs to be called as such. As for winning a point, there are no points to win only perspectives to share. As for the points I did miss, there may be some difference in expectation. In the business that pays my bills, we sell to Cisco, Google, Nortel, AT&T, and folks in Russia. Each customer has a different maintenance profile. I must say, the Russians rock. They ask questions only once and then go execute. If you send them documentation, they read it. Then they come back and buy more product. (Don't ask me how they got that way). For Google to realize benefits of scale, they need motivated low maintenance developers. That is part of the selection process. I think they ended up with a smart and motivated set of programmers. In some types of bicycle racing, the first lap is a turkey drop. You need to get people out of the race that pose a risk to the stronger riders, and you need to do it quickly. Google has followed a procedure that achieved these results, even during the contest. For them to be successful right now, they need programmers that are like the Russians. Some famous valley guy said, "Eat like a bird and poop like an elephant." At this stage, that is what Google obtained. As for why I lost... I ran a service and did not put a display in the header. We had concerns about the board being jammed and had to drive into work to submit for bandwidth time out reasons. I waited too long to purchase a PC that could run the emulator/SDK... March 22. ...slow to recognize the need to spend that money. Any one of these is enough. As a judge, I would disqualify in a heartbeat any service that did not put a display in the header. That is a very nice android feature. It is good programming practice and provides comfort to the user. There, yes, I know why we lost: Speed of comprehension. The reason this post is here is to help folks on this board comprehend that there are very low maintenance customers out there. People who act like the Russian companies we deal with. I hope this helps. Google exceeded my expectations. Ed On May 12, 4:05 pm, "Shane Isbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > "I believe, that we can all agree that the Challenge didn't run as > > well > > as expected, organization wise..." > > > I do not agree. I think it ran better than expected, even though our > > entry did not win. > > > They are working to provide examples of entries that did win. These > > are entries the public will appreciate. Please read the threads with > > the winners talking and the joy in their banter. Even for those who > > sacrificed much in pursuit of a prize not won, the picture of our > > winners is a really beautiful thing that every human should > > appreciate! > > > Pictures of the winners and their applications is the best PR in the > > world. > > Classic case of redefining someone's argument to win the point. Rui is > talking about communication from Google during the contest. I think there is > great room for improvement in communication from both Google and our own > community; my guess is that Google recognizes this. Part of the problem was > a lot of noise on this list and a lot of misinformation that certain > community members deliberately spread. This made digging for information > from Google reps very hard and I personally missed some important details. > Google should have also squashed and/or corrected some of these threads. A > lot of questions went unanswered on the list (including my own). > > Shane > > > > > > > The contest was well run and well judged. Google is doing fine on > > PR. > > > Ed > > > On May 12, 10:55 am, Rui Martins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Well, I think that it's time for google to step up and do some real PR > > > Management. > > > > What many participants are complaining about relates directly do the > > > lack of Public Relations Management in this whole Challenge process! > > > > I believe, that we can all agree that the Challenge didn't run as well > > > as expected, organization wise, but I bet that Google per se, probably > > > didn't expect the overwhelming response of 1788 applications either. > > > And moving the Challenge deadline, was also not properly accounted for > > > either, since this shurelly impacted how the judging process was > > > conducted, since their deadline to output results wasn't postponed > > > (except using the full May 5th Week), which means participants had +1 > > > month to develop, but judges had -1 month to judge! > > > > But besides all the process bumps, what seems to be hurting the > > > android developers (participants) community the most is the lack of > > > info, more specifically communication! > > > > Participants, never new what was going on, what is going on now, or > > > what will happen in the near future, despite que multiple request for > > > enlightnment that were posted in these forums. > > > > Please address this issue, Communication! > > > > P.S. > > > To every participant, please keep this thread correct and to the > > > point.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Challenge" group. 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