You don't need task killers. Some people like them, and who I am I to argue
with what people like? ;)
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Mystique <joven.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One question, not sure whether it is related.
> Since Android manage task and application automatically and terminate
> if necessary why do we need application like Advance Task Killer?
> Isn't it redundant? I understand why Android was design this way, to
> help speed up application and extra memory if not needed is just waste
> so I rather have my app ready in the background and let Android decide
> whether to close it.
>
> Back to qns, why do we need ATK??? I have it install but I do not use
> it anymore and doesn't seems to make a different.
>
> On Jul 31, 6:38 am, Eric F <ericfrie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yeah this is exactly what I thought too. Just because non-technical
> > people download task killers from the market doesn't mean that task
> > killers are necessary. In my opinion it is way more likely that the
> > explanation is that people are just very bad at shifting their way of
> > thinking from paradigm to paradigm.
> >
> > And it also made me think of the windows tuner programs. I've noticed
> > a trend in the way people think these days. I call it the do-nothing
> > dilemma. We are incapable of doing nothing these days. What I mean is,
> > when we look at a problem we instantly act for the "solution". Because
> > we are so advanced these days that we are just used to things being
> > already solved somewhere by someone, somehow. I am only 30, but I
> > suspect that people living in the 1920s had more of a grin and bear it
> > mentality ("man up") when it came to problems and hardship.
> >
> > Now, whether it's a kid hurting him/herself on a swing and people
> > needing to "Do Something", banning swingsets from all playgrounds. Or
> > a cellphone chugging along while syncing contacts, people don't think
> > "huh, my cell phone is not as quick as I want it. Oh well I'll just
> > deal, it's still a great phone and I'm sure in the future we'll have
> > faster phones that don't slow down". They think "Wow, surely there
> > must be someone to blame for this and someone with the fix. Oh here
> > this task killer allows me to solve my problem". Soon they are
> > probably having more problems than they started, but they don't care
> > because now everytime they get disgruntled they can "do something"
> > about it. And nobody wants to admit that they are administrating
> > themselves placebos, so feeling like it *is* a valid solution is self
> > reinforcing.
> >
> > That was a bit long winded. But I agree with Kostya, I don' think
> > people downloading task killers from the marketplace show a deficiency
> > in the OS. Only a deficiency in the way people adapt to new things.
> >
> > Obviously the pre-bundled apps that can't be uninstalled are a huge
> > problem. task killers not really being a good solution there, the real
> > solution is root -> uninstall. Hopefully Google will be able to nudge
> > companies in the right direction. I doubt we'll ever be in a crapware
> > free world, but perhaps they can be convinced to make crapware
> > uninstallable.
> >
> > -E
> >
> > On Jul 30, 1:33 pm, Kostya Vasilyev <kmans...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Technical details aside, I think it's just human nature.
> >
> > > Some percentage of users just have a strong desire to have something
> > > "magical" that *supposedly* makes their device (Android phone or
> desktop
> > > OS) work much better.
> >
> > > Remember - there used to be all kinds of memory optimizers for Windows?
> > > Also registry cleaners, various "tweak" and "tune-up" utilities, etc.
> > > etc. etc. No-one is saying that Windows (or any other OS :) is perfect,
> > > but these apps promise much more than they actually do, and sometimes
> > > cause harm.
> >
> > > There is also a whole subculture of users who root and flash their
> > > phones - I am convinced most do it because it addresses some
> > > psychological need, more than anything else.
> >
> > > So personally, I am quite happy to see that Google is starting to limit
> > > what task killers can do. I believe interfering with the platform's
> core
> > > functionality is definitely a bad thing.
> >
> > > I have enough bugs in my code to have to deal with someone else's.
> >
> > > -- Kostya
> >
> > > 31.07.2010 0:08, Indicator Veritatis пишет:
> >
> > > > A good article. A little harsh on the OP, but even so, a good
> article.
> >
> > > > After all: given that that IS the design of Android, that
> Applications
> > > > should not quit, but leave termination up to the OS, the article
> makes
> > > > its case well, even elegantly.
> >
> > > > But I cannot help but notice: after Android did all that hard work of
> > > > designing the whole system to work that way, what does the market say
> > > > about it? The presence of so many "Task Managers" for Android seems
> to
> > > > imply that the Market does NOT agree with this paradigm.
> >
> > > > Nor would that conclusion really surprise me, since it is a basic
> > > > expectation, almost an instinct, even predating computers: if it
> > > > doesn't work, you want to hit Reset, or power-cycle the device, and
> > > > you expect that it will be in a known good state (note the
> terminology
> > > > reminiscent of s certain OS with its "last known good"). Exiting an
> > > > application is the software-analog of shutting the power off: you
> > > > expect that the next time you enter, you get a clean slate.
> >
> > > > True, WebOS doesn't work that way either, and Android's way is a new
> > > > trend. But I don't see the market approving this in WebOS either --
> > > > even if it does like it better than Palm's previous OS, Palm OS. For
> > > > Palm OS was ugly.
> >
> > > > Besides: despite all the claims otherwise ("just let the system do
> > > > it"), I _have_ come across circumstances when I really do want to
> just
> > > > exit everything to get the phone to behave again. Surely I am not
> > > > alone, which is why people download the Task Managers for Android.
> >
> > > > On Jul 30, 10:39 am, Mark Murphy<mmur...@commonsware.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 9:13 AM, RamaMohan<rama.mohan...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > >>> HI all,
> > > >>> I s there any way to kill the entire application at once.Not using
> > > >>> with finish() or system.exit() ..all these two will kill the
> > > >>> activity ,but not the appication.
> > > >>> Is there any way to kill the entire application from any
> > > >>> activity .
> >
> > > >>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2033914/quitting-an-application-is...
> >
> > > >> --
> > > >> Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy)http://commonsware.com|
> http://github.com/commonsguyhttp://commonsware.com/blog|http://twitter.com/commonsguy
> >
> > > >> _Android Programming Tutorials_ Version 2.9 Available!
> >
> > > --
> > > Kostya Vasilev -- WiFi Manager + pretty widget --
> http://kmansoft.wordpress.com
>
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