To clarify what I meant by C being the choice over Java for Android..
I simply meant that in order to compete with iPhone on their native
games and audio applications (BeatMaker, other synth apps, etc), once
Google provides us with OpenAL (or something similar??) and better 2D/3D
video access to the underlying hardware via APIs, You'll see a lot more
C code in games and music apps than Java. I am not saying it will all go
that way.. you still need the Java to get things rolling. For most apps,
and even quite a few game varieties, I think Java is the way to go.
I just wish it was already available. Hopefully 3.0 will usher in the
native audio/video support that iPhone developers enjoy and we'll
finally be able to make multi-touch music apps for Android. I know that
BeatMaker alone was responsible for 1000's of iTouch sales, and the app
was $20 to boot. There is a lot of potential, especially with the larger
tablet screens, for really robust music apps, as well as much better
games, once we have these capabilities. I am sure this will be available
at some point.. I just wish it was sooner than later. Having to pass
audio buffers back up through JNI to be played is very slow and
limiting. I wont exclaim to be an expert tho.. I've not yet had the
pleasure of working with NDK, but I did buy a book and read some
articles on it's current limitations.
Hence, why I said what I said.
On 8/13/2010 2:35 AM, Ralf Schneider wrote:
I forget! There is hope: NaCl is doing it right (IMHO)!
May be Android will one day get fast apps via PNaCl
(nativeclient.googlecode.com/svn/data/site/pnacl.pdf
<http://nativeclient.googlecode.com/svn/data/site/pnacl.pdf>)
2010/8/13 Ralf Schneider <li...@gestaltgeber.com
<mailto:li...@gestaltgeber.com>>:
> I was just pointing out a logical flaw in another post: The poster was
> defending Java and in the last part he suddenly told: C will rule
> Android development as soon as there is video and audio access via the
> NDK
>
> Actually I agree. For: implementation, maintenance, and debugging ...
> Java is far better than C or C++.
>
> But, performance matters, too! Not for most Apps, but for many of the
> interesting ones (Games, AR-Apps, Image recoginition, ...).
>
> Anyway these kind of discussions most time lead to nowhere. There is
> already too much (programming) religion involved. So it's easier to
> just troll around.
>
> My personal opinion is this:
> I would prefer a complete and stable C API. => Android should be a set
> of stable C-APIs
> Java/Dalvik/.net/whatever can run on top of them.
>
> So, everybody can be happy. The Java coders, the Python coders, The
> C-hardcore-coders...
>
> 2010/8/13 Dianne Hackborn <hack...@android.com
<mailto:hack...@android.com>>:
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 1:34 AM, Ralf Schneider
<li...@gestaltgeber.com <mailto:li...@gestaltgeber.com>>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If Java is so great, why will the NDK(C/C++) become the language of
>>> choice - as soon as google provides a useable API?
>>
>> The language of choice for what? Not most app developers. Except for
>> certain apps, Java is going to be a far better choice for ease of
>> implementation, maintenance, and debugging.
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