On Mar 7, 9:07 am, Mariano Kamp <mariano.k...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What about AE (or another single person) trying it out in public? Say what
> user he creates and what app he will rate/comment with *****. We can watch
> if it gets deleted. I don't consider AE cheating if he does it once, in
> public, and as part of an experiment.
Yes I have done it and to see if it really true and it works.
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote:
>
> > Have you confirmed yourself on a G1 that after multiple 'phone resets
> > and comments/ratings they all stay in the market for more than 48 hours?
No it stays.
> > I'd be surprised if there wasn't a filtering mechanism which looked for
> > multiple comments/ratings from the same 'phone which ran (possibly as a
> > daily batch job).
Also to add for everyone here. If I had an evil vision :D I wouldn't
be telling what I have found it in open public :D Furthermore not even
come up with suggestion to solve the issue. Also the reason for
raising the issue here is -- if all the app developer start doing it
bingo we will have a serious credibility crisis for the android
market! and thus Google must solve this as soon as possible. It really
have the potential to destroy the android eco-system.
Regards
AE
> > AE wrote:
> > > Hi,
>
> > > It is my understanding that the "popularity index" uses several
> > > parameters to such as rating, comments (not directly but indirectly),
> > > number of downloads, active install, total install, installs from
> > > regular users, install from dev phones, age of the app, number of
> > > phone sales in a region, etc,etc -- there is probably 500 elements
> > > that are in the works! And rightfully so Google doesn't want folks to
> > > game the system.
>
> > > Now what I like to stress here is the following -- the 3 key element
> > > that is presented to users prior to download is number of downloads,
> > > rating, comments. No matter how much we argue at the end of day -- the
> > > users makes his/her decision "somewhat" based on the above 3
> > > parameters. Interestingly all of the above parameters can be
> > > manipulated by doing the following.
>
> > > a. Download the app - rank and comment
> > > b. Reset your phone - Create new user
> > > c. Repeat A
>
> > > And if you get say 5 college kid doing the above.. bingo you can
> > > always make sure that visible 3 comments are clean and positive --
> > > you can also use those comments as a megaphone to tell the users --
> > > what more can your app do -- beside the 325 char description , you
> > > keep your rating stable at 4.7/4.6 (so you don't look to greedy) and
> > > your number of downloads are increasing. Not only that while you are
> > > at it you might as well go ahead and make lower rating and ugly
> > > comments to competitors app -- and you make sure you uninstall
> > > competitors app, where as you don't uninstall your app -- you just hit
> > > for the "hard reset" -- because you send the signal -- that the phone
> > > might be off -- rinse and repeat!!! Yes very true this will not
> > > increase your popularity but slowly and surely by doing so you can
> > > only go up cos if all of the ranking elements produce "X" and the
> > > above 3 elements say produce "Y" -- no matter how insignificant these
> > > 3 parameter is -- you are on the positive -- never the less you have a
> > > propaganda megaphone to the users who download your apps. In every
> > > damn category all the top 20 - 30 apps stays the same, I have not seen
> > > them moving out of that space !!
>
> > > I am complete disgusted by the above, I worked hard to develop my app,
> > > I used the SDK so I can take advantage of all the phone features and I
> > > am honest and what it gets me -- nada! So why should I develop app --
> > > what incentive does it provide me if I don't have the money power to
> > > buy my friends 5-10 G1 to game the system!!
>
> > > I have couple of ideas to the above problem - and I am sure there are
> > > many here who has even better idea then i list below --
>
> > > 1. Rating from the "new" users i.e. created on the fly users -- should
> > > be separated from the users who are verified i.e. been using google
> > > for a while and have a history, so I propose 2 ratings rather then one
> > > - why - it should be transparent to the end consumer (No propaganda
> > > megaphone) -- how you use to evaluate popularity -- not my business
> > > and its googles secret.
>
> > > 2. Comments should have added "star" or colors to identify also the
> > > user has no history with google i.e. Amazon's "REAL NAME". Again
> > > transparent to end consumer
>
> > > Yes, I do want to have "real users comments" and their "ratings" and
> > > show the world "total downloads" -- it just helps me improve my app.
> > > But we need a fair playing field that's my request. I am sure many of
> > > you know the above -- at least its a open secret! Now everyone can
> > > play the game!!
>
> > > I look forward to constructive replies/solutions and hear your views.
>
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>
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