I've had F/C reports from *some* users a few months ago. I did try to reproduce it on my phone several times -- tough luck - I couldn't. But then, *many* other users who upgraded didn't report F/Cs. The free version of my game had ~8K downloads when I removed it, and only a few comments for F/C on startup (and some "force closes all the time", which is probably "f/c every time I start it"). You can imagine that I couldn't do ANYTHING and just left it as is. New users rated the game high, and posted good comments. That is, they didn't experience any F/Cs, so I couldn't have a bug on startup, could I? Some upgraders ranted, others didn't. Go figure, huh? Not exactly. I've figured it out for myself.
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Incognito <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Maybe you can install the original if you can get it then attempt to install > the update and see if that helps. Or just put one test app in the market, > download it. Then update app in market and see if you can reproduce the > problem. > > On Apr 9, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Stoyan Damov <[email protected]> wrote: > > > No, most are NOT. People, for @#$%'s sake, you've GOT to trust me on > that. I've downloaded an e-book the other day. I read it (it's a short > story), and the next day I got an update. I installed it curious to > see what was updated (was the reader itself). I ran it. It crashed > IMMEDIATELY after launch before showing any UI. I then uninstalled it, > and re-installed it, and it started and worked flawlessly. > > I'm betting my ass that when Android updates an application it @#$%s > up something, e.g. permissions (damn me for NOT launching Eclipse when > this happened to see what exactly was the crash) and the app would > F/C. After a reinstall, everything works just fine. > > What I described is what can be seen on MANY (and list is growing) > number of applications' descriptions on Android Market (that is > "please, uninstall before update"). > > I *do* believe people make bugs (and so do I), and that there are some > very poorly developed apps on Market, but this *particular* crash > immediately after an update is a Google bug. I know it. I KNOW it. I > @#$%ING KNOW IT! > > I'm just waiting for it to happen again with another app, and me > having Eclipse around. > > Cheers > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:50 AM, Mattaku Betsujin > <[email protected]> wrote: > I think a lot of the comments are junk. However, I think the Force Close > ones are real. On Android, the foreground app shouldn't be FC'ed if there > are lots of background activities. > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Ivan Soto <[email protected]> wrote: > > We really need something like 'Report abuse" or "Inaccurate" > I try a lot of applications that run perfectly but I bet some people with > a lot of background applications running will obviously have problems with > the Force Close thing, they usually just go to the market and give 1star for > that. > I would love to report that as inaccurate, because that is just not spam. > Ivan Soto Fernandez > Web Developer > http://ivansotof.com > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Eric Mill <[email protected]> wrote: > > I've written on this list a couple times about the deplorable state of > Android Market comment threads. It has gotten better than it used to > be, though, I think the "Report as Spam" option has made an impact. > > You're not going to get people to change the way they express > themselves about how they feel about your app, though. YouTube has > played with their comment system numerous times, but the comment > threads are still a gutter. It's just the audience and the culture. > Blocking out basic curse words just goads people to get around the > filter. > > Like I said though, I think it's improved, I'm not seeing the same > level of vindictiveness and bile that was there in the winter. It's > just going to take some more time, and it's going to have to come from > the community. > > -- Eric > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Ivan Soto <[email protected]> wrote: > And yet no word from Google. Although, I can say that I've seen some > kind of > moderation. (I guess) > I haven't seen a lot of comments like > "your app rocks. 5 starss... contact me [email protected]" > Which was a big issue before. Still, it needs a lot of improvement. > > > Ivan Soto Fernandez > Web Developer > http://ivansotof.com > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Sean Hodges > <[email protected]> > wrote: > > From my experience, auto filters have limited effectiveness, though > definitely better than nothing at all. > > Ideally, there would be a "Report Abuse" button that acts similar to > the spam feature, and in both cases if a Google account is reported a > number of times it is reviewed by market support for inappropriate > activity (I'm not sure if this is already the case for the spam > feature). > > If a malicious user starts picking on another by reporting all their > comments, the data from this can be used to review the reporter's > account instead... People abusing the system should get a warning > followed by a ban on the market, or some similar course of action. > > Of course, if this is too much to implement, an auto-filter should > definitely be considered as an alternative. There are lots of reports > requesting this in the market forum. > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 3:29 PM, [email protected] > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Completely agree. I'm amazed there isn't an auto-filter going on - > it > would be easy to catch obvious swear words like the ones you quote > above. > > When I've seen abusive comments, the poster usually tries to > disguise > the swear words by changing a letter or by using asterisks instead, > because of fear of being moderated I guess. > > But it looks like the moderating is not happening at all. > > > > On Apr 8, 2:48 pm, mask <[email protected]> wrote: > This is an excerpt from an application comment: > > "This stupid fucking shit isn't downloading/installing! What a > waste > sherelle 2009-04-08 04:00:44" > > As a developer, I would like to know when is Google going to start > moderating such illiterate and ignorant people from commenting on > an > issue developer has no control. At least, the curse words should be > removed or 'moderated' for keeping the developer community sane. > Keep > in mind, in the long run its the developers and their application > that > will eventually sell and market android platform. > > As a developer, all ignorant and abusive comments are least > productive. Also Google's inaction in removing abusive comments are > totally unacceptable. > > As a developer, I request Google to take immediate action by > removing > comments which are abusive or totally remove commenting but keep > the > star rating until Google provides a complete solution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
