Thanks Mariano. I will add that to the "help page" of my app (when such a
page is finally created on a bright sunny day :-)

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Mariano Kamp <[email protected]>wrote:

> Mattaku,
>   do you know Log Collector (
> http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.twofortyfouram.logcollector)? You user
> can install it and mail you the log.
>
> Cheers,
> Mariano
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Mattaku Betsujin <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Not sure if this is meaningful statistics ....
>>
>> I have received 1 person reporting that my app doesn't work after
>> updating. He tried uninstalling and reinstalling and the app still doesn't
>> work.
>>
>> This is 1 out of about 10,000 people who downloaded my app. I have pushed
>> about 15 updates in 8 weeks so I assumed there have been at least 10,000
>> attempts of updating.
>>
>> To me, 0.01% is certainly not widespread. But again, if Google could fix
>> this I certainly wouldn't mind :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Incognito <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hahahaha. Pretty funny. It most feel like people throwing stones at you
>>> and the e-mail below is just the involuntary reflex to raise your hands to
>>> shield yourself.
>>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2009, at 8:09 PM, Mark Murphy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Stoyan Damov wrote:
>>> Especially when
>>> Google are so strongly supported by so many zealots who think Google
>>> devs can't make bugs and it's all the developers' fault.
>>>
>>> Since I suspect that's aimed in my general direction, let me be clear:
>>>
>>> Google developers can "make bugs". Considering how many they have
>>> pointed out on these lists, I suspect they'd be the first to tell you
>>> that they "make bugs".
>>>
>>> You have reported several bugs on these lists. As I recall, for these,
>>> you indicated, in no uncertain terms, that if they affected you, they
>>> must affect everyone, and that they are clearly bugs in Android proper
>>> with no other possible cause.
>>>
>>> I don't recall in any of those situations questioning whether the
>>> symptoms were real. I asked for more evidence on the claims that they
>>> affect everyone, that they were unequivocally bugs in Android proper,
>>> plus for ways to reproduce the problems. The latter is the most
>>> important, because no matter how the symptoms are caused, without
>>> reproducible scenarios, fixing them is well nigh impossible.
>>>
>>> In some cases (e.g., force-close-after-update), such evidence has
>>> arrived, at least on the first two points. If we're lucky, the same
>>> thing that causes this problem is what causes the similar force-close
>>> triggered by changes to the AndroidManifest.xml file, that somebody
>>> reported, I reproduced, and I opened an issue for. I doubt they're the
>>> same thing, but one can only hope, since reproducing
>>> force-close-after-update is obviously difficult.
>>>
>>> In some cases (e.g., "TERRIBLE BUG"), evidence definitely points to a
>>> bug in the build tools, though no evidence has arrived that indicates it
>>> is currently affecting every Android developer. And, IIRC, we still
>>> don't have a reproducible test case.
>>>
>>> In some cases (e.g., takes-15-seconds-to-pick-up), we have neither
>>> evidence of a widespread phenomenon nor conclusive evidence of a purely
>>> OS problem. In this specific case, I'm still backing my theory that it's
>>> out-of-spec hardware that is reacting poorly with a new driver in RC33.
>>> Heck, if I were HTC, I'd buy your phone off of you, just to have a
>>> sample of the problem on hand. Alas, I am not HTC, nor do I play HTC on
>>> TV.
>>>
>>> If I'm a zealot for asking for evidence to back up sweeping claims and
>>> broad generalizations, and for hoping for more civil discourse than
>>> sometimes is seen on these lists, then I'm comfortable with that.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy)
>>> http://commonsware.com | http://twitter.com/commonsguy
>>>
>>> Android App Developer Books: http://commonsware.com/books.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
> >
>

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