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On Dec 9, 2011 2:37 AM, "Al Sutton" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> There is no such thing as a "right to refuse service". Users to not have
a default right to use any service without entering into an agreement with
the service provider, so as long as the refusal to provide a service does
not breach any contract or law, a developer is well within their rights to
ban users as they wish.
>
> That's why companies like Google can shut down users AdSense accounts
without any notice and not tell you what you've done to be banned from the
service let alone providing any proof you have actually done anything
wrong,


To date,  and unless they have already been in court over the issue, Google
only has the ability to discontinue someone's assessed account.   Not the
"right". It simply does not mater whether it is in the terms of use or
not.   In order to determine whether they had "the right" or not,  their
ability must be challenged.  Thus "the right" will be decided on a case by
case basis by judge/jury/etc.  depending on the level of elevation and
where you are located.  Just because you can, it does not mean you are
within your rights.
>
> and why they can refuse to provide services such as Google Music, and
their latest app (Currents) to users who live outside a single country
without providing any reason.

Refusing service to begin with is different than taking it away.   There is
also a huge difference between a continued/ongoing service and an
extended-use appliance.
>
> I'm sure we could go around this loop many times, but a lot of people
seem to think they have a right of entitlement which they do not.

This is true on both sides of the argument.  :-)

> You can consider a service provider to be pretty dumb to stop a user or
users from using their service, but you don't have any rights to force a
third party to offer you their work just because you want it.

Don't be silly.  No one is forcing us to give our programs away if we offer
them free.  We decided that. But once we give them away,  they are no
longer ours.   We may still have control over them, but our rights to that
control becomes a legal issue.   I think that is all most people this side
of the argument are saying.

Cheers,  ~Chris

>  _snip_

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