FYI this also happens on iOS: in fact this is basically how the recent
string of american police demands to decrypt iPhones have happened.
Few combinations, a little time, and you've got a decrypted device.

Not to say this isn't an issue (it definitely is), but it's not just
unique to Android.

Kris

On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:47 PM, DrDenim <[email protected]> wrote:
> Considering that a phone encrypted with a 4-6 character PIN has been cracked
> in a matter of seconds the current scheme is worthless against any
> determined attacker. Unless of course the user type in a 8+ character word
> just to unlock the screen, dozen of times a day.. Personally I could not put
> up with that.
>
> This leave Android with a pretty serious security flaw. This should be high
> on the list of things to get fixed!
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 21, 2013 5:30:54 PM UTC-4, seattleandrew wrote:
>>
>> If you haven't been following issue 29468 for Android, a couple of people
>> are upset that the unlock passcode is tied to the encryption passcode. From
>> a usability stance, this makes perfect sense, this way users don't have to
>> memorize two passwords, the less the better. The issue is, once a FDE (Full
>> Disk Encryption) Android has been unlocked the first time, the device is
>> decrypted until it's powered off. This means once the device has been
>> unlocked once, there isn't a need to continue requiring complex passcodes
>> since all it does is unlock the device.
>>
>> With the current schema, I argue it actually impacts security and
>> usability since users will either choose a complex passcode (for more
>> entropy in FDE) and suffer every time the device re-locks or a user will
>> choose a simpler passcode (PIN or 6 char) in order to make the unlock
>> process easier (but now FDE has less entropy).
>>
>> With the addition of multiple-users in Android, I argue it wouldn't be too
>> difficult to separate the FDE passcode from the user's unlock passcode (even
>> on single user devices).
>>
>> What does the rest of Android Security think? Do you guys think separating
>> FDE and the unlock passcode would be beneficial?
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