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From: "Net4Nuts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> The behaviour looks as if it's not picking up the defaults.properties file
> (but it's right there in the jar, I can see it)
> and then as if it wants optional.jar in the classpath for the junit task.
> but surely that can't be right.

It most certainly wants optional.jar in the classpath.   If you are running
through one of the wrapper scripts (like ant.bat) then it will put all the
.jar files in Ant's 'lib' directory into the classpath for you.

    Erik


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