Andre writes: > probably, yes. if ai is advanced enough to deal with incoming > communications in an acceptable fashion, this will be just fine.
> - your trust in your ai would be most commendable and as imho, ai will > be running everything in a few years anyway, this is perfectly > acceptable Andre, please accept my apologies for writing about the "Turing test", it was meant lightheartedly but has confused the issue. It is my fault for being flippant. I didn't envisage that a true AI would handle would such enquiries. I was pointing out two areas that are problematic, separately: 1. The RIPE NCC may not recognise an auto-responder when they see it, if it has been tailored to them specifically (and to achieving a formal but spurious compliance); and 2. A response by a real human being may be just useless as a bounce message, if constrained by policy. That is to say, if all the human is permitted to do is choose from a small range of stock responses (such as directing the person making the enquiry to some pre-written FAQ) then this is equivalent to an autoresponder, so why prohibit (deem non-compliant) only the automated response? However from Hervé's reply I see that a less ambitious bar is being set, and an autoresponder is acceptable, whether a human autoresponder or a software one. I have my doubts that this really achieves anything useful, but at least it is clear. On 25/09/2017 11:34, ox wrote: > On Mon, 25 Sep 2017 10:55:09 +0100 > Malcolm Hutty <malc...@linx.net> wrote: >> Scenario 1: An LIR directs e-mail sent to their abuse-cc: address to >> an auto-responder that says "This mailbox is not monitored by a human >> being", and advises on alternate "support services" (e.g. a FAQ, a >> webform that feeds a ticketing system etc). Is RIPE NCC intended to >> mark the attribute as invalid in this scenario? >> > there is no point to have an email address that does not exist or is not > monitored. > > if or when email ever stops working and is replaced by alternate "support > services" > this will be a good timeTM to accept non monitored email addresses > > but to granularly define generally accepted forms of communications, > is pointless as there will always be a good reason for whatever form of > communication, to not be suitable or acceptable to someone. > > take mobile, or phone numbers, it can easily be argued "but i am not > available to take calls" or whatever... - everything always has > exceptions, it is whether those exceptions are generally reasonable or not > and/or generally acceptable. > > >> Scenario 2: An LIR filters incoming e-mail sent to their abuse-cc: >> address. Email from RIPE NCC gets "priority treatment", i.e. is >> directed to someone who passes a Turing test administered by the NCC. >> E-mail from anyone else gets the same treatment as in scenario 1. >> >> Is Scenario 2 compliant with the policy? If not, how is RIPE NCC >> supposed to know to mark the attribute as invalid? What tests are the >> NCC supposed to administer? And what must an LIR do to pass them? >> > probably, yes. if ai is advanced enough to deal with incoming > communications in an acceptable fashion, this will be just fine. > > ianal but, there are legal implications, if your ai receives x notice, > replies, etc. > > - your trust in your ai would be most commendable and as imho, ai will > be running everything in a few years anyway, this is perfectly > acceptable :) > > > Andre > -- Malcolm Hutty | tel: +44 20 7645 3523 Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog London Internet Exchange | http://publicaffairs.linx.net/ London Internet Exchange Ltd Monument Place, 24 Monument Street London EC3R 8AJ Company Registered in England No. 3137929 Trinity Court, Trinity Street, Peterborough PE1 1DA