Andre 1 - yes and no - you need access to an SMTP server. 2 - again - you need access to resources
I agree however that the domain without anything attached to it can't do anything The resources need IPs.. Re: RIPE whois - if there are inaccuracies you can report them to RIPE. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 29/05/2018, 14:39, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox" <anti-abuse-wg-boun...@ripe.net on behalf of an...@ox.co.za> wrote: Please correct me if you think I am wrong: 1. You cannot send spam without an IP number. 2. You cannot do any abuse without an IP number. I can do a whois on any.com or some.eu and have a tech or abuse email address and WORKING registrar contact information. I cannot do a whois on ALL ripe assigned ipv4 resources and get accurate and/or working resource contact information. So, where the problem is - is easy to see, no? Andre On Tue, 29 May 2018 15:12:27 +0200 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> wrote: > I consider an abuse the fact of collecting emails and sending spam. > Also, if you have a domain, you can see what IPs are related to it > for other kinds of abuses. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-boun...@ripe.net> en nombre de ox > <an...@ox.co.za> Organización: ox.co.za > Fecha: martes, 29 de mayo de 2018, 14:32 > Para: <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> > Asunto: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse > > > Abuse has nothing to do with a domain name. > > Nobody can abuse anyone armed only with a domain name. > > Without using an actual IP number, a domain name can do nothing. > > Protecting the privacy of a domain registrant is absolutely > correct. > The trouble is that network operators are resistant to accept the > responsibility (costs, issues, trouble) of managing abuse > > Even if you do a whois right now, you will find a functional > registrar abuse email address. > > The same cannot yet be said for the resources assigned by this RR > > Andre > > > On Tue, 29 May 2018 14:00:44 +0200 > JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> > wrote: > > Whois, as everything in the life, has good and bad things. > > Against: Privacy invaded. In fact, when you register a new > > domain and you associate a visible email to it, in a matter of > > hours, you get spam. > > Pro: If it is a real email with humans behind, it facilitates > > the resolution of abuse cases. > > The balance is always difficult ... > > Regards, > > Jordi > > > > > De: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-boun...@ripe.net> en nombre de > > Volker Greimann <vgreim...@key-systems.net> Fecha: martes, 29 > > de mayo de 2018, 13:49 Para: Suresh Ramasubramanian > > <ops.li...@gmail.com>, "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" > > <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Asunto: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - > > positive effects on email abuse > > > > > > > > Even in those cases, whois is but one tool that helps identify > > bad actors by means of violating privacy rights of millions. > > There are other tools, like DNS traces, reviews of hosting > > infrastructures used, etc. all of which will continue to be > > available for the uses you refer to. > > > > And maybe it is time to ensure law enforcement is better > > equipped to deal with such issues earlier and faster. Up to > > now, governments have been afforded the luxury of being able to > > underfund such efforts as others were doing their jobs for > > them. Maybe this will lead to better law enforcement and > > international cooperation. > > > > Best, > > > > Volker > > > > > > > > Am 29.05.2018 um 13:34 schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian: > > > > This unfortunately is entirely wrong and short sighted > > > > > > > > All security practitioners protect our respective services and > > networks against a wide variety of threats including malware and > > phish campaigns. > > > > > > > > Very few of those go on to be referred to law enforcement and > > that only after an extensive dossier is built internally to > > show that the perps in question justify a - frequently cross > > border - law enforcement action. > > > > > > > > Security and protecting user privacy go hand in hand and I wish > > more people realised that, and maybe also realised the resource > > and administrative lconstraints and limits law enforcement is > > saddled with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-boun...@ripe.net> on behalf > > of Volker Greimann <vgreim...@key-systems.net> Sent: Tuesday, > > May 29, 2018 4:06:18 PM To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net > > Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email > > abuse > > > > > > > > Wow, the level of narrowmindedness and fearmongering is high > > with this one. > > > > Crime online will likely not increase due to GDPR. It may be > > more difficult to detect and take action against due to the > > loss of one tool amongst many, but ultimately that tool was > > illegal to begin with as it violated the rights to privacy of > > millions of domain owners. > > > > "Private researchers" and other vigilantes or rent-a-cops will > > indeed have a more difficult time to obtain such data as they > > will finally have to do so by legal means, but then they are in > > an untenable position anyway, taking upon themselves functions > > that should be fulfilled by actual law enforcement. > > > > Ultimately, private data if internet users no longer being > > public will lead to better registration data for those with a > > right to access it. Those with no such rights will have to > > figure out alternate routes to do their jobs that does not > > violate the rights of millions. > > > > Best, > > > > Volker > > > > > > > > Am 28.05.2018 um 21:13 schrieb Ronald F. Guilmette: > > > ox <an...@ox.co.za> wrote: > > > > > >> Firstly I would like to comment that the multinationals and > > >> their funded trade groups (and their lobby orgs) shouted > > >> from the rooftops that if the GDPR came into effect, > > >> Internet in the EU would collapse and there would be digital > > >> doom and gloom. > > > I am not a multinational. I am an individual volunteer > > > anti-abuse researcher. And yet even -I- have told everyone I > > > know that the disappearance of public WHOIS is and will be an > > > epic catastrophy. If there was cybercrime on the Internet > > > before, it will be increased, going forward, by tenfold. > > >> How wrong they were (hindsight is perfect - as we can all > > >> clearly see) > > > Be patient. The change has only just occurred. > > > > > >> The EU has truly become a world and global leader in the > > >> reclamation of individual rights and the free Internet. > > > Here on this side of the pond, one usually has to turn on Fox > > > News in order to be treated to this level of rubbish. > > > > > > The only thing that has happened is that private researchers > > > the world over have been effectively blinded due to the > > > supreme arogance and idiocy of europeans... europeans who, in > > > their religious fervor, have come to view it as their holy > > > obligation to foist their demented notions onto the rest of > > > the world, whether any of the rest of us like it or not. > > > > > > Meanwhile the malevolent forces of state-sponsored intrigue > > > and violation of human rights are and shall remain totally > > > unfettered and unaffected by GDPR, as they will be the first > > > ones to obtain special exemptions allowing them to continue > > > to see WHOIS data. The CIA, NSA, BDN, and FSB are undoubtedly > > > celebrating the arrival of GDPR, as it further entrenches > > > their special status at the expense of the great unwashes > > > masses. > > > > > > Friday was a sad day for both transparency and democracy, but > > > all across the globe both criminals and statists undoubtedly > > > celebrated it with toasts of champaign. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > rfg > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.consulintel.es > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged > or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive > use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty > authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents > of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is > strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. 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