Hi David Thanks for the feedback.
- UN GGE: The 2015 group came up with a consensus report: https://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/70/174 The 2017 failed. Personally I think, because the rising tensions in the global political climate, but that's another discussion. And I feat the current GGE as well as the OEWG will face the same fate. These are not good times for international state agreements. I completely agree with your assessment here. Re RIPE: I guess so. But if RIPE is seen as representing the community, than it should be ok for RIPE to enforce the community view. It was said here before: If we fail as an informal community here, than others will take this into their hands, and that will likely no procude a better result. Best Serge On 19/04/2020 00:07, David Conrad wrote: > Serge, > > On Apr 17, 2020, at 2:15 AM, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg > <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>> wrote: >> Even the UN (through the UN GGE and the OEWG, create norms for >> responsible behavior in cyber space. >> >> There is nothing that stops us from doing the same in this corner of >> internet policy. > > Perhaps not the best example. UN "Global Group of Experts” (GGE) tried > to come up with “cyber norms", but ultimately failed to get their norms > accepted (that is, they were unable to come to consensus on the final > report). As a result, another round of UN > GGE (https://www.un.org/disarmament/group-of-governmental-experts/) > kicked off and a parallel effort, the Open Ended Working Group, is also > trying to come up with a set of cyber norms, albeit with a larger set of > players. > > However, the reason (in my view) the UN cyber norm efforts have failed > to date is the same reason we see failures to come up with agreed upon > policies here: the norms would impact self-interest in a way that is > unacceptable to parties who have the ability to derail progress. > >> Neutrality does not imply the absence of values. If we want the internet >> to be usable and safe for users, we need to come up with what is >> acceptable behavior and what is not. > > My impression is that the issue that derails consensus here is whether > or not RIPE-NCC is the appropriate enforcer of “acceptable behavior”. > > Regards, > -drc > -- Dr. Serge Droz Chair, Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams (FIRST) Phone +41 76 542 44 93 | serge.d...@first.org | https://www.first.org
