Hi Michele Yes you can allow any customer with an assignment to have their own abuse-c contact. But the database query will only return a single abuse contact for any IP address. If the assignment object has an abuse-c then a query on any IP address in the range of that assignment will only return the customer's abuse contact details. If an assignment does not have an abuse-c then such a query will return the resource holder's abuse-contact details. A query will not return both the customer's and the resource holder's details.
However, this can be changed if the community wants something different. We can make abuse-c a multiple attribute so the resource holder can add the customer's and their own abuse-c to an assignment. Or we can change the default behaviour of the query so when an abuse-c is found in an assignment it always returns the resource holder's abuse-c as well. Or we can add a new query flag to return both abuse-c details when available. Or we can modify the abuse-c attribute in some way so the resource holder can choose what a query returns. Any behaviour is possible as long as you define what behaviour you want and the community finds it useful. chears denis co-chair DB-WG On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 11:54, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <mich...@blacknight.com> wrote: > > That’s not entirely true. > > > > It’ll depend on how granular the LIR is with their allocations to their > clients. > > > > Speaking on behalf of my company we do assign blocks and abuse-c contacts to > quite a few of our clients. > > However we wouldn’t do that for every single IP address and due to the nature > of some of the services we provide a single IP address is going to be linked > to multiple clients. > > > > The main issue we run into is with some reporters using a scatter gun > approach with reporting abuse, which is just a waste of everyone’s time. > (Basically sending notices to every single contact they can find – not just > the abuse-c) > > > > Regards > > > > Michele > > > > > > > > -- > > Mr Michele Neylon > > Blacknight Solutions > > Hosting, Colocation & Domains > > https://www.blacknight.com/ > > https://blacknight.blog/ > > Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 > > Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 > > Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ > > Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ > > ------------------------------- > > Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty > > Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 > > > > > > From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-boun...@ripe.net> on behalf of Ángel > González Berdasco <angel.gonza...@incibe.es> > Date: Saturday, 22 January 2022 at 23:12 > To: denis walker <ripede...@gmail.com> > Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> > Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Proposal: Publish effective users' abuse-c > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Please use caution when opening attachments from > unrecognised sources. > > > This bit is not possible. The "abuse-c:" attribute is 'single'. So the > > > resource object can only ever reference one abuse contact. > > > > Thanks Denis. abuse-c arity is a point I was dubious about. > > > > Thus, it is not currently possible to publish an abuse-c with the customer > address and keep the ISP copied at the same time, as desired. > > In order to know what is being sent thete, the ISP needs to provide its own > address and (if appropriate) forward complaints received there to the > customer. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > -- > > INCIBE-CERT - Spanish National CSIRT > > https://www.incibe-cert.es/ > > > > PGP keys: https://www.incibe-cert.es/en/what-is-incibe-cert/pgp-public-keys > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > INCIBE-CERT is the Spanish National CSIRT designated for citizens, > > private law entities, other entities not included in the subjective > > scope of application of the "Ley 40/2015, de 1 de octubre, de Régimen > > Jurídico del Sector Público", as well as digital service providers, > > operators of essential services and critical operators under the terms > > of the "Real Decreto-ley 12/2018, de 7 de septiembre, de seguridad de > > las redes y sistemas de información" that transposes the Directive (EU) > > 2016/1148 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 6 July 2016 > > concerning measures for a high common level of security of network and > > information systems across the Union. > > > > ==================================================================== > > > > In compliance with the General Data Protection Regulation of the EU > > (Regulation EU 2016/679, of 27 April 2016) we inform you that your > > personal and corporate data (as well as those included in attached > > documents); and e-mail address, may be included in our records > > for the purpose derived from legal, contractual or pre-contractual > > obligations or in order to respond to your queries. 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