I do not agree
Every organization has rules it enforces. That doesn't make it a
regulator. The public transport here, where I live enforces that you
have a valid ticket. That doesn't make it the transport regulator.
In fact RIPE NCC will probably enforce that you pay your fees.
The issue here is, that we have two subgroups:
One that thinks we should try go a bit further to ensure that people do
what can be expected they should be doing, and another fractions that
feels every little bit of additional load is too much and will not solve
the problem 100%. It's like saying we give up on speed limits because it
doesn't prevent speeding.
And as long as this group cannot come up with a compromise nothing will
change, in essence the anti-abuse wg is taken hostage by the nay sayers.
These discussions have been going on for years. Nothing new has come out.
We don't even try. We could, and then see if it makes a difference. If
not we go back. But nope.
Best
Serge
On 30.11.23 09:39, Matthias Merkel wrote:
Hi Leo,
The definition of a regulator is an entity that sets and enforces rules
on the persons it supervises.
If the RIPE NCC goes further than just providing numbers, and instead
enforces rules on usage associated with them (note that this doesn't
even concern the use of the numbers themselves, but rather services
addressed by them), it will, by definition, be a regulator.
I'm not sure that there will be consensus on wanting the NCC to become a
regulator.
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On November 30, 2023 at 9:36 AM GMT+1 anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
<mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi Leo,
I don’t see it as a regulator, I see it as one of the functions of a
RIR. Not just provide numbers, but also ensure that they are being
used fairly and according community agreed policies. Otherwise we
could also say that other reasons for recovery are invalid because we
become a regulator, right?
Each RIR has measured the “level of adoption” as they progressed with
the initial verification (and this was presented at least a couple of
times in every RIR), so there are slides in each of them, showing the
progress. I can try to find them for you in the previous year's events
if you can’t find them. Also my personal experience reporting over
1.500 abuse cases, average per day, shows that I get more
“happy-ending” responses from those regions than before and keeps
going better and better, which is not the case from RIPE unfortunately.
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
> El 29 nov 2023, a las 16:09, Leo Vegoda <l...@vegoda.org
<mailto:l...@vegoda.org>> escribió:
>
> Hi Jordi,
>
>
> On Nov 29, 2023, at 11:29, jordi.palet--- via anti-abuse-wg
<anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <mailto:anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I agree that the carrot is better than the stick, but if the
carrot doesn’t work, we need to use the stick.
>>
>> My original proposal was basically enforcing the NCC to reclaim
the resources when there is a persistent violation of resolving abuse
cases. This can be progressive, such as not allowing to update
objects in the database, etc. No need to go with “a single failure
means you lose your resources”.
>
> How could we do this without the RIPE NCC becoming some kind of
regulator? Or is the proposal to make the RIPE NCC a private sector
regulator?
>
>> As said, this is working in other 2 regions, one more coming
(pending of the AFRINIC board ratification). Why should not work in
this region the same? Also the PoC in ARIN works in a similar way,
and being non-responsive means you get some “members” rights restricted.
>
> Who has been measuring the reduction is abuse? How tightly is that
drop in abuse linked to this policy action rather than other factors?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Leo
>
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