Visit our website: HTTP://WWW.STOPNATO.ORG.UK --------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 6:35 AM Subject: IS THERE A 4TH POSSIBILITY???? I Subject: When the impossible becomes reality--a 4th possibility Dear friends: While we have been totally overwhelmed with emotion, and encouraged to=20 channel our outrage into concern for stock markets and getting back to=20 business, and into ongoing proclamations of love of country, and loyalty to= =20 the flag and the President there is one question that causes the most=20 distress in people's minds: "How could those planes have made it=20 unchallenged to their final destinations?" Most of us can consider only 3 possibilities: 1. The terrorists were incredibly clever 2. The US intelligence agencies were uncharacteristically lax 3. National security, warning and defense procedures were insufficient,=20 procedures which have been fine tuned for decades But there is another possibility... Unless we start asking the questions NOW the steps being taken by others=20 while we have been distracted by grief will be irreversible. Asking the=20 questions--and getting the answers-- may still make peace and justice a=20 possible outcome. When the impossible becomes reality the unthinkable=20 becomes reasonable. Consider the following two articles: An Advance Warning of Attacks Was Ignored The CIA knew via Echelon at least 3 months in advance that we were going to= =20 be attacked by planes used as weapons: Echelon Warned US & Israeli Intel Hijacked Planes Were To Be Weapons By Ned Stafford BizReport.com 9-14-1 http://rense.com/general13/ech.htm U.S. and Israeli intelligence agencies received warning signals at least=20 three months ago that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack=20 commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of=20 American and Israeli culture, according to a story in Germany's daily=20 Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ). The FAZ, quoting unnamed German intelligence sources, said that the Echelon= =20 spy network was being used to collect information about the terrorist=20 threats, and that U.K. intelligence services apparently also had advance=20 warning. The FAZ, one of Germany's most respected dailies, said that even=20 as far back as six months ago western and near-east press services were=20 receiving information that such attacks were being planned. Within the American intelligence community, the warnings were taken=20 seriously and surveillance intensified, the FAZ said. However, there was=20 disagreement on how such terrorist attacks could be prevented, the=20 newspaper said. Echelon is said to be a vast information collection system capable of=20 monitoring all the electronic communications in the world. It is thought to= =20 be operated by the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia and New Zealand. No=20 government agency has ever confirmed or denied its existence. However, an=20 EU committee that investigated Echelon for more than a year just last week= =20 reported its belief that the system does exist. The EU committee said that Echelon sucks up electronic transmissions "like= =20 a vacuum cleaner," using keyword search techniques to sift through enormous= =20 amounts of data. The FAZ, in its news story, described the system as covering the whole=20 world with 120 satellites. The newspaper also said Israeli intelligence had= =20 collected information indicated that Arab terrorist groups planned to=20 hijack planes in Europe to use as weapons to attack targets in Tel Aviv and= =20 other coastal cities in Israel. Because of increasing concerns of plane hijackings, Israel has tested a new= =20 x-ray machine at the Tel Aviv airport, the FAZ said. The machine capable of= =20 detecting all known explosive elements, even if only in small quantities,=20 the newspaper said. The FAZ said that German intelligence fears that in coming days planes will= =20 be hijacked in Europe and the Near East, and that there is no sure way to=20 protect against it. Critical Questions [This arrived as an email, supposedly from DP, an American military person.= =20 Judge for yourself:] Why Were So Few People on the Flights? 1) Flight 11 was a Boeing 757/200. This plane holds 239 passengers. There=20 were 81 passengers and 11 crew. The 11 crew members included 2 pilots and 9= =20 flight attendants. Is it normal that this flight would not be at capacity,= =20 based on other Flight 11's that leave Boston to LA, at the same time every= =20 day. Flights within the Airline industry operate on standardized schedule. They don't make the schedules after the passengers book the flights. The=20 only days that they schedule deviate are Saturdays and Sundays and=20 holidays. So, is it customary that this flight is so underbooked? (About=20 30% capacity) I flew out west from Florida about three months ago, and=20 every flight I got on was either full or overbooked. 2) Same question of all the flights. #175 had 54 passengers. The pentagon=20 plane (#77) had 56 passengers, and the PA flight 38. All less than 25% of=20 capacity. Why? I don't have access to the files of AA or United, but some=20 reporter should be able to find out this information. [Fewer people, easier= =20 to control the situation. And the less likely that something could go=20 wrong, maybe? I'm just speculating, of course. I don't know, and I don't=20 have access to AA or United archives and files.] The Air Force Could Have Averted the Tragedy But Didn=92t 3) Four planes at once with no transponder info on the FAA screens and Air= =20 Force screens. All of them just showing up as blips on radar. One plane is= =20 in a "NO FLY ZONE";.. within constantly monitored, restricted airspace. A=20 pilot has already remarked that when a plane deviates just a little, that=20 the FAA oversight will call and/or allow for course corrections. But, we are talking about planes that were miles off course. In these=20 instances, the FAA reports it to the Air Force. But also, in these=20 instances, the Air Force has already locked onto these planes, because they= =20 monitor the commercial system as well as their own. That's 24 hours a day,= =20 7 days a week, every day of the year. They have to, so that we don't have=20 military and commercial aircraft flying into one another, constantly. In a circumstance like Flight 11, this plane is so far of course it is=20 ridiculous and they are not responding normally to communications. They did= =20 a hard bank (90 degrees to the south) somewhere north of Albany, NY. The=20 Air Force is to scramble at least a recon aircraft to monitor. Why no=20 recon, on any of the first three flights? Let's look at the second plane. It was 18 minutes until it hit the second=20 building. This plane flew over NYC, past the city and went to somewhere=20 around Newark, NJ. At that point it did a 360 degree bank to fly back to=20 NYC. By this time "they" know that this is no accident happening. They know= =20 that they have hijacked planes in the air. An F-15 strike eagle flies at 1850+ nmps. That is Mach 2.5+ A sidewinder=20 with heat seeking infrared guidance, has a range of 18 miles. This=20 aircraft, according to the USAF's own website, goes from "scramble order"=20 to 29000 feet in 2.5 minutes. New York City is 71 miles from McGuire AFB in= =20 NJ and 147 from Westover AFB in MA. At Mach 2, this plane could travel from= =20 the ground in NJ to NYC, in under 7 minutes. I am being generous. Mach 2 is 20+ miles per minute and Mach 2.5 is 30+=20 miles per minute. This is 150 to 210 seconds to cover the 71 miles. If we=20 factor in the time for the scramble order, to being in the air; we are at 5= =20 to 6 minutes for an F-15 to bypass flight 175, turn, and sit at the WTC to= =20 wait for the plane (175) to arrive. This is far less than 18 minutes, and=20 this plane (175) had to fly back over the Hudson Bay to reach its target.=20 (Remember the range of the sidewinder is over 10 miles. Is it even=20 necessary to mention the speed of this missile?) The Plane Hitting the Pentagon Could Have Been Stopped But Wasn=92t---Why? 4) Let's apply these same standards to the Pentagon plane #77. This plane=20 is over restricted airspace. It is 40 minutes after the second attack in=20 NYC. At some point, here, Barbara Olsen calls her husband to let him know=20 the plane is hijacked. Mr. Olsen calls "officials" who claim that they=20 don't know about Flight #77 being hijacked. Barbara Olsen makes a second=20 phone call to her husband. Other passengers were FORCED TO CALL their=20 families to tell them that they were going to die. Why would the hijackers= =20 put out this warning? The article definitely says "forced to call". See:=20 Flight 77: 'Our Plane Is Being Hijacked' (washingtonpost.com) See:=20 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpdyn/metro/dc/schools/A14365-2001Sep11.html This plane flies over the White House, which has automatic turret style=20 anti-defense weaponry on top of the building. NO shots are reported to be=20 fired, no anti-aircraft missiles were fired. This plane, still in=20 restricted airspace, does a 270 degree bank to turn around and fly toward=20 to Pentagon. Andrews AFB is 13 miles away. This is already within the range= =20 of a sidewinder. All that is required is to put the plane in the air (maybe= =20 up to 3000 ft.), lock and fire. Remember it is 40 minutes and they already= =20 know that these planes are being used as weapons. They have been reporting= =20 it on ABC, CBS, and NBC for 30+ minutes. They have received phone calls=20 from passengers, telling them that the plane is hijacked. (By the way, what= =20 time were these cell-calls made? Before or after they entered the "no fly=20 zone"?) These planes could have been knocked out of the sky EASILY, but weren't.= Why? DP P.S. It's not that I want to believe that something stinks, here. It's just= =20 that I would like credible answers as to what was/is going on. I was in the= =20 military. As a Navy Nuclear Reactor Operator, we had to stand duty 24/7, to= =20 monitor operations. An Air Force base is constantly manned, in case of an=20 unforeseen event or attack. They fly recon missions, every single day. Some= =20 of these recon flights may be armed, and some may not. But, there are a certain number of planes are armed at all times and the=20 pilots do 24-hour rotating shifts so that the Air Force can respond=20 quickly. The Air Force and Nuclear Aircraft Carriers constitute America's=20 first line of defensive readiness. They were 13 miles from the Pentagon,=20 with planes that can fly circles around a commercial jet. Were they on=20 vacation or what? 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V6B1H7 Tel: (604)687-0588; fax: (604) 872 -1504 or (604) 688-0550;cellular(604)=20 202 7334; E-MAIL [EMAIL PROTECTED]; www.canadianliberty.bc.ca =93The constitution of Canada does not belong either to Parliament, or to= the=20 Legislatures; it belongs to the country and it is there that the citizens=20 of the country will find the protection of the rights to which they are=20 entitled=94 Supreme Court of Canada A.G. of Nova Scotia and A.G. of Canada,= =20 S.C.R. 1951 pp 32 ------------------------------------------------- This Discussion List is the follow-up for the old stopnato @listbot.com that has been shut down ==^================================================================ EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84x2u.a9spWA Or send an email To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email was sent to: archive@jab.org T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^================================================================
