To be honest I think I may have spoken too soon. Anthony and yourself have convinced me that my concerns are trivial of not non-existent.
Thanks again! I'm a big fan of all the work you've all put into APE! :) Lorren On Dec 14, 2009, at 4:55 AM, Nicolas Trani <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > > Using mootools in the developpement of APE JSF saved us a lot of time > (ajax request, Class, Events, array & object functions). As it use a > special build of mootools for example the $ operator is not included > in > this build. MooTools build of APE JSF "only" contains Core, Browser, > Array, Function, String, Hash, Event, Class, Request, it's 1680 > lines of > codes (MooTools full is about 4329 lines of code). So it's only > include > what i realy need in the JSF. > > Writing the APE JSF was is something really complex, and i am > working on > a new development pattern for the future version of APE JSF. For now i > still have many things to clarify before start talking about it. But > i'll write an article and wait for feedback before starting to work on > it. But i think for this future version I'll not use a framework and > start by creating a "Request framework". > > I am always happy to hear some feedback about the JSF. Thanks. > > Regards. > > > Lorren Biffin a écrit : >> Primarily my reasoning is based on the added requirement of loading >> mootools into the page. (i.e. making an additional resource call). >> This worry is not so prevalent as I use a resource aggregation / >> cache >> tool for JS / CSS anyhow. I use frameworks only when needed to save >> on >> development time / resource load. I don't have a need to modify the >> JSF at the moment and the size of the JSF feels trivial, so reading- >> in >> mootools for this reason alone feels silly / awkward. >> >> Secondarily, I dislike giving the $ operator to mootools w/o a great >> reason to do so, as jQuery is usually my framework of choice when I >> use one. >> >> I have nothing against Mootools, it just feels unusual to require it >> for an unrelated project to handle (what feels like) a trivial task. >> >> I also understand that my reasons for wanting a purely APE >> implementation of the JSF are likely trivial in the wider scope of >> the >> APE project as a whole, which is why I suggest crowd-sourcing the >> development. :) >> >> All-in-all though, this won't stop me from using APE in it's current >> state.. It's all preference and I'm happy to take things as they >> come. >> You guys are doing a great job and I wouldn't want to ask more of you >> than you're already generously giving to us. :) >> >> Lorren Biffin >> (425) 522-2673 >> http://twitter.com/lorrenbiffin >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:37 PM, John Chavarria >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Could you bring your reasons for such a thing? >> >> Thanks :) >> -- >> John Chavarria - CEO / Designer >> Weelya - improve the Web >> >> +33 (0) 4.67.169.778 >> +33 (0) 6.43.56.00.83 >> >> Twitter : @jchavarria / @weelya >> >> 32 Rue du Faubourg Boutonnet >> 34090 Montpellier >> >> >> http://www.ape-project.org/ >> http://www.weelya.com/ >> >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Lorren <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Ideally I would like to see an APE library independent of any >> particular JS framework. >> >> Maybe this could be crowd-sourced to the APE community as a >> Weelya >> backed initiative? I'm sure there would be much interest and >> could >> potentially bring this idea to fruition much sooner than if >> you did it >> in-house. :) >> >> On Dec 11, 6:09 pm, Nicolas Trani <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> mootools is only used by the APE JSF Core that runs into an >> iframe. It >>> use a specific build of mootools to be more light. As it run >> into an >>> iframe you can use any framework on your website the APE JSF >> Client >>> communicate with the Core. >>> >>> A "[your framework name here]" Core is not planed by the APE >> team (for >>> now) as it will be verry hard to maintains two version of >> the Core. >>> Mayebe in the future APE JSF will use his own framework. >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Lorren wrote: >>>> Is there a non-mootools version of the JSF planned? >>> >>> -- >>> Nicolas Trani - D veloppeur web >>> Weelya - Improve the web >>> 32 rue du faubourg boutonnet >>> 34090 Montpellier >>> Tel : 04 67 169 778http://www.weelya.com >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> Google >> Groups "APE Project" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> <mailto:ape-project%[email protected]> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/ape-project?hl=en >> --- >> APE Project (Ajax Push Engine) >> Official website : http://www.ape-project.org/ >> Git Hub : http://github.com/APE-Project/ >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "APE Project" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> <mailto:ape-project%[email protected]> >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/ape-project?hl=en >> --- >> APE Project (Ajax Push Engine) >> Official website : http://www.ape-project.org/ >> Git Hub : http://github.com/APE-Project/ >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "APE Project" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/ape-project?hl=en >> --- >> APE Project (Ajax Push Engine) >> Official website : http://www.ape-project.org/ >> Git Hub : http://github.com/APE-Project/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "APE Project" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/ape-project?hl=en > --- > APE Project (Ajax Push Engine) > Official website : http://www.ape-project.org/ > Git Hub : http://github.com/APE-Project/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "APE Project" group. 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